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		<title>By: beetlebabee</title>
		<link>http://beetlebabee.wordpress.com/2008/11/06/pride-predjudice-prop8-rage/#comment-3218</link>
		<dc:creator>beetlebabee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 00:37:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Dave Crea!  You made my day.  Thanks for commenting.  The commenters on this site have so much good insight and give so much feedback.  It&#039;s a pleasure to have a society of people here we can discuss things with.  The issues of family and the questions of morality being asked in this country right now amaze me.  Things we took for granted once are being questioned.  Sometimes that&#039;s good, but it&#039;s not always good.  We&#039;ve got to stand up and be part of the conversation or the ones who are loudest will get their way by fiat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Dave Crea!  You made my day.  Thanks for commenting.  The commenters on this site have so much good insight and give so much feedback.  It&#8217;s a pleasure to have a society of people here we can discuss things with.  The issues of family and the questions of morality being asked in this country right now amaze me.  Things we took for granted once are being questioned.  Sometimes that&#8217;s good, but it&#8217;s not always good.  We&#8217;ve got to stand up and be part of the conversation or the ones who are loudest will get their way by fiat.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Crea</title>
		<link>http://beetlebabee.wordpress.com/2008/11/06/pride-predjudice-prop8-rage/#comment-3217</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Crea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 23:57:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beetle Blogger,
I read your blog everyday. It keeps me up-to-date on what is going on and how to continue to protect our religious freedoms. The mainstream media has given in to the gay activists. Thanks for standing up for religious freedom and what is true and right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beetle Blogger,<br />
I read your blog everyday. It keeps me up-to-date on what is going on and how to continue to protect our religious freedoms. The mainstream media has given in to the gay activists. Thanks for standing up for religious freedom and what is true and right.</p>
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		<title>By: Proposition 8&#8217;s Secret Weapon &#171; Beetle Blogger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Proposition 8&#8217;s Secret Weapon &#171; Beetle Blogger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 16:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: beetlebabee</title>
		<link>http://beetlebabee.wordpress.com/2008/11/06/pride-predjudice-prop8-rage/#comment-1675</link>
		<dc:creator>beetlebabee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 00:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ramble on any day my friend.  Rambles of that quality are always welcome.

Isn&#039;t it amazing that through the endless cycles of history, human nature looks back and says, this would never happen and while they&#039;re looking back feeling superior, actions are being set in motion to repeat again the same cycles.  

In some ways, by the time you see the problem clearly, it&#039;s so widespread it&#039;s exceedingly difficult to reverse.  I don&#039;t know if you&#039;ve seen the post I put up yesterday on Demographic Winter, but seeing that movie trailer really hit home for me just how close to the edge society has gotten.

Human nature, can you fight it successfully on more than a one on one basis?  Perhaps not, but we should still try, I think because it matters for each soul you touch.  Like the story of tossing starfish back into the ocean.  You can&#039;t stop the millions from suffering, but you can help the one, and for that one, it&#039;s all the difference in the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ramble on any day my friend.  Rambles of that quality are always welcome.</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t it amazing that through the endless cycles of history, human nature looks back and says, this would never happen and while they&#8217;re looking back feeling superior, actions are being set in motion to repeat again the same cycles.  </p>
<p>In some ways, by the time you see the problem clearly, it&#8217;s so widespread it&#8217;s exceedingly difficult to reverse.  I don&#8217;t know if you&#8217;ve seen the post I put up yesterday on Demographic Winter, but seeing that movie trailer really hit home for me just how close to the edge society has gotten.</p>
<p>Human nature, can you fight it successfully on more than a one on one basis?  Perhaps not, but we should still try, I think because it matters for each soul you touch.  Like the story of tossing starfish back into the ocean.  You can&#8217;t stop the millions from suffering, but you can help the one, and for that one, it&#8217;s all the difference in the world.</p>
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		<title>By: Julie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 00:37:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It goes to show how God brings great good out of great evil.  A book I read this semester in class discussed this very thing. St. Catherine of Siena wrote about how even the most evil glorifies God, for it is through evil that we all obtain virtues. If we did not experience this, we would not learn real charity. We would not learn patience, we would not obtain fortitude. And so, even with this battle for the family, we are all being sanctified, and God is being glorified.    I guess one way is what we&#039;re observing; people of different faiths coming together as a united front.

I&#039;m so glad to hear of the Catholics there coming to your aid.  There&#039;s a thing I read some time ago, it&#039;s been all over.  Something about how &quot;they&quot; came for x group, but &quot;I wasn&#039;t part of x group so I said nothing&quot;  And then they came for y group, but I wasn&#039;t part of y group but said nothing.  And on and on...finally they came for my group, and there was no one left to speak for me....     Sound familiar?   It makes a good point, that we have to be willing to speak up for each other in the preservation of our freedoms.  

As scary as it is watching our religious freedoms being stripped away, we still have it much better here in the US than in many other places.  I have a friend (also Catholic) who grew up in Saudi Arabia. She received the Sacraments in her home, in hiding, and they could all have been arrested or killed for doing so.  Red China...what freedom?   

It stands to reason that we should be allowed, all of us, to continue the free practice of our faith. The Constitution does not say &quot;only if the majority agrees with x religion&quot;.  Unfortunately, that&#039;s how it&#039;s being interpreted, only it&#039;s the minority that has to apparently make the rules these days.  

* sigh * 

Sorry for the long ramble.   God bless!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It goes to show how God brings great good out of great evil.  A book I read this semester in class discussed this very thing. St. Catherine of Siena wrote about how even the most evil glorifies God, for it is through evil that we all obtain virtues. If we did not experience this, we would not learn real charity. We would not learn patience, we would not obtain fortitude. And so, even with this battle for the family, we are all being sanctified, and God is being glorified.    I guess one way is what we&#8217;re observing; people of different faiths coming together as a united front.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m so glad to hear of the Catholics there coming to your aid.  There&#8217;s a thing I read some time ago, it&#8217;s been all over.  Something about how &#8220;they&#8221; came for x group, but &#8220;I wasn&#8217;t part of x group so I said nothing&#8221;  And then they came for y group, but I wasn&#8217;t part of y group but said nothing.  And on and on&#8230;finally they came for my group, and there was no one left to speak for me&#8230;.     Sound familiar?   It makes a good point, that we have to be willing to speak up for each other in the preservation of our freedoms.  </p>
<p>As scary as it is watching our religious freedoms being stripped away, we still have it much better here in the US than in many other places.  I have a friend (also Catholic) who grew up in Saudi Arabia. She received the Sacraments in her home, in hiding, and they could all have been arrested or killed for doing so.  Red China&#8230;what freedom?   </p>
<p>It stands to reason that we should be allowed, all of us, to continue the free practice of our faith. The Constitution does not say &#8220;only if the majority agrees with x religion&#8221;.  Unfortunately, that&#8217;s how it&#8217;s being interpreted, only it&#8217;s the minority that has to apparently make the rules these days.  </p>
<p>* sigh * </p>
<p>Sorry for the long ramble.   God bless!</p>
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		<title>By: beetlebabee</title>
		<link>http://beetlebabee.wordpress.com/2008/11/06/pride-predjudice-prop8-rage/#comment-1646</link>
		<dc:creator>beetlebabee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 06:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Julie, I saw that video and could hardly believe it!  I lived in Massachusetts when they had to close the Catholic Charities.  At the time, we were trying to get a steeple built on one of our temples and were being sued for it.  The Catholics came to our aid with letters and support that was well appreciated.  I have a great love for the good people of the Catholic faith.  

I really do think it&#039;s one of the most inspiring things that has come from the division over same sex marriage in our country, it&#039;s forcing all of us to choose, and it&#039;s easier to see who our friends really are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Julie, I saw that video and could hardly believe it!  I lived in Massachusetts when they had to close the Catholic Charities.  At the time, we were trying to get a steeple built on one of our temples and were being sued for it.  The Catholics came to our aid with letters and support that was well appreciated.  I have a great love for the good people of the Catholic faith.  </p>
<p>I really do think it&#8217;s one of the most inspiring things that has come from the division over same sex marriage in our country, it&#8217;s forcing all of us to choose, and it&#8217;s easier to see who our friends really are.</p>
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		<title>By: Julie</title>
		<link>http://beetlebabee.wordpress.com/2008/11/06/pride-predjudice-prop8-rage/#comment-1629</link>
		<dc:creator>Julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 01:10:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beetle, Thanks for commenting on my blog. It is shocking how you&#039;ve been attacked, and even singled out for it.  I&#039;ve seen other videos where a Christian group was praying and were physically assaulted, even sexually, while peacefully singing together in a small group.  And yet, as some of our opponents claim here, &quot;You&#039;re not being attacked.&quot;   

The evidence on film proves such a comment completely...in denial of the obvious.   

You are being attacked, and we as Catholics have been attacked on this issue for a very long time.  Catholic Adoption agencies have closed their doors when the law tried to force them to place children wth same-sex couples.   

Thank you for speaking up in defense of the family.  We all definitely have to work together on this, and also to end abortion.  These issues will cause the complete destruction of our entire society; it&#039;s already happening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beetle, Thanks for commenting on my blog. It is shocking how you&#8217;ve been attacked, and even singled out for it.  I&#8217;ve seen other videos where a Christian group was praying and were physically assaulted, even sexually, while peacefully singing together in a small group.  And yet, as some of our opponents claim here, &#8220;You&#8217;re not being attacked.&#8221;   </p>
<p>The evidence on film proves such a comment completely&#8230;in denial of the obvious.   </p>
<p>You are being attacked, and we as Catholics have been attacked on this issue for a very long time.  Catholic Adoption agencies have closed their doors when the law tried to force them to place children wth same-sex couples.   </p>
<p>Thank you for speaking up in defense of the family.  We all definitely have to work together on this, and also to end abortion.  These issues will cause the complete destruction of our entire society; it&#8217;s already happening.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristy</title>
		<link>http://beetlebabee.wordpress.com/2008/11/06/pride-predjudice-prop8-rage/#comment-1553</link>
		<dc:creator>Kristy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 19:19:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hello! It has taken me a while to write a comment on your blog. I want to thankyou for commenting on mine, and since writing the post I did on homosexuality, my views have changed quite alot. I have been reading your blog since you&#039;ve commented on mine. I&#039;ve subscribed and I&#039;m learning so much and I feel like I&#039;m making more informed decisions. Thankyou for all you do with this website and all you provide your readers with. I&#039;m now seeing that homosexuality really will affect the whole idea of what a family is. Your post where you copied that essay from the lady who didn&#039;t really have an opinion one way or another, but could obviously see that allowing homosexual unions is going to forever change (and damage) our whole institution of family and marriage as we see it, just like divorce has. 

anywho, i&#039;ve been a silent reader for some time now. :) But I hope to change that! 

Once again, thanks for commenting on my page!

-Kristy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hello! It has taken me a while to write a comment on your blog. I want to thankyou for commenting on mine, and since writing the post I did on homosexuality, my views have changed quite alot. I have been reading your blog since you&#8217;ve commented on mine. I&#8217;ve subscribed and I&#8217;m learning so much and I feel like I&#8217;m making more informed decisions. Thankyou for all you do with this website and all you provide your readers with. I&#8217;m now seeing that homosexuality really will affect the whole idea of what a family is. Your post where you copied that essay from the lady who didn&#8217;t really have an opinion one way or another, but could obviously see that allowing homosexual unions is going to forever change (and damage) our whole institution of family and marriage as we see it, just like divorce has. </p>
<p>anywho, i&#8217;ve been a silent reader for some time now. :) But I hope to change that! </p>
<p>Once again, thanks for commenting on my page!</p>
<p>-Kristy</p>
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		<title>By: { Lisa }</title>
		<link>http://beetlebabee.wordpress.com/2008/11/06/pride-predjudice-prop8-rage/#comment-988</link>
		<dc:creator>{ Lisa }</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 20:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ps. Firemike,

you speak of morals being alive in blah blah blah well I invite you to look at the definition of morals:

1. of, pertaining to, or concerned with the principles or rules of right conduct or the distinction between right and wrong; ethical: moral attitudes.  
2. expressing or conveying truths or counsel as to right conduct, as a speaker or a literary work; moralizing: a moral novel.  
3. founded on the fundamental principles of right conduct rather than on legalities, enactment, or custom: moral obligations.  
4. capable of conforming to the rules of right conduct: a moral being.  
5. conforming to the rules of right conduct (opposed to immoral ): a moral man.  
6. virtuous in sexual matters; chaste. 

pay especially close attention to the last one... God says what is wrong and right, not man.  His word says that a man shall not lie with a man as he would lie with a woman.  This is detestable in Gods eyes and these people have their place in hell.

argue all you like.  you cannot argue with God... But I dare you to try:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ps. Firemike,</p>
<p>you speak of morals being alive in blah blah blah well I invite you to look at the definition of morals:</p>
<p>1. of, pertaining to, or concerned with the principles or rules of right conduct or the distinction between right and wrong; ethical: moral attitudes.<br />
2. expressing or conveying truths or counsel as to right conduct, as a speaker or a literary work; moralizing: a moral novel.<br />
3. founded on the fundamental principles of right conduct rather than on legalities, enactment, or custom: moral obligations.<br />
4. capable of conforming to the rules of right conduct: a moral being.<br />
5. conforming to the rules of right conduct (opposed to immoral ): a moral man.<br />
6. virtuous in sexual matters; chaste. </p>
<p>pay especially close attention to the last one&#8230; God says what is wrong and right, not man.  His word says that a man shall not lie with a man as he would lie with a woman.  This is detestable in Gods eyes and these people have their place in hell.</p>
<p>argue all you like.  you cannot argue with God&#8230; But I dare you to try:)</p>
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		<title>By: { Lisa }</title>
		<link>http://beetlebabee.wordpress.com/2008/11/06/pride-predjudice-prop8-rage/#comment-973</link>
		<dc:creator>{ Lisa }</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:09:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s funny to me that all those gays are talking about us hating them and look at all the pictures of them shooting the finger, telling mormons to go to hell, all their signs of hatefullness.  Who is showing hate really?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s funny to me that all those gays are talking about us hating them and look at all the pictures of them shooting the finger, telling mormons to go to hell, all their signs of hatefullness.  Who is showing hate really?</p>
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