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		<title>By: Is the debate really about Civil Rights? &#171; California Proposition 8</title>
		<link>http://beetlebabee.wordpress.com/2008/11/14/an-analogy/#comment-1602</link>
		<dc:creator>Is the debate really about Civil Rights? &#171; California Proposition 8</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 23:01:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] From Troy Rockwood, a commenter on http://beetlebabee.wordpress.com/2008/11/14/an-analogy/: [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Standing4Freedom</title>
		<link>http://beetlebabee.wordpress.com/2008/11/14/an-analogy/#comment-1550</link>
		<dc:creator>Standing4Freedom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 17:16:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This all boils down to semantics.

Here&#039;s another analogy: calling a  homosexual domestic union the same as a marriage is akin to calling an apple an orange. Some believe they are both fruits, and the names are interchangeable. Some believe there are fundamental differences between the two and they should be distinguished differently. All have the right of free speech to call an orange an orange or an apple or a banana or anything they wish. Apples and oranges are both found in the grocery store for anyone to purchase and consume (i.e. domestic partnerships and marriages.) Individual stores and consumers may label the apples and oranges however they like (call any relationship a marriage, domestic union, business partnership, whatever.)

The problem arises when government or other entities enter in and FORCE businesses, schools, and individuals to apply a mandated label. In the case of marriage/domestic partnership labeling, I personally have no problem with individuals, churches, and businesses who choose to label them as being interchangeable. That is their right. I do, however, have a problem with businesses, individuals, and schools being mandated to label them as being the same things. I have a problem with an apple orchard being told it must sell oranges or an orange orchard being told it must sell apples.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This all boils down to semantics.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s another analogy: calling a  homosexual domestic union the same as a marriage is akin to calling an apple an orange. Some believe they are both fruits, and the names are interchangeable. Some believe there are fundamental differences between the two and they should be distinguished differently. All have the right of free speech to call an orange an orange or an apple or a banana or anything they wish. Apples and oranges are both found in the grocery store for anyone to purchase and consume (i.e. domestic partnerships and marriages.) Individual stores and consumers may label the apples and oranges however they like (call any relationship a marriage, domestic union, business partnership, whatever.)</p>
<p>The problem arises when government or other entities enter in and FORCE businesses, schools, and individuals to apply a mandated label. In the case of marriage/domestic partnership labeling, I personally have no problem with individuals, churches, and businesses who choose to label them as being interchangeable. That is their right. I do, however, have a problem with businesses, individuals, and schools being mandated to label them as being the same things. I have a problem with an apple orchard being told it must sell oranges or an orange orchard being told it must sell apples.</p>
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		<title>By: Leslie</title>
		<link>http://beetlebabee.wordpress.com/2008/11/14/an-analogy/#comment-1523</link>
		<dc:creator>Leslie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 07:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that comparing the vegetarian analogy to the eHarmony lawsuit makes a lot more sense than the above conversation. eHarmony chooses to sell a particular type of meal (heterosexual dating). When the carnivore demands a cheeseburger (homosexual dating), the waitress tells him that cheeseburgers are not on their menu because the chef doesn&#039;t know how to make them (eHarmony&#039;s founder does not know how to translate his methods to a homosexual clientele). Carnivore sues and wins, judge tells waitress to start selling the beef!
I used to be in business (closed it when I moved), and would not want a judge to tell me that I had to take responsibilty for working in a way that I knew nothing about. Should accountants be told they have to file tax returns for people in England? This is exactly why I voted yes on prop 8 - but now the gay community is getting the results they wanted anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that comparing the vegetarian analogy to the eHarmony lawsuit makes a lot more sense than the above conversation. eHarmony chooses to sell a particular type of meal (heterosexual dating). When the carnivore demands a cheeseburger (homosexual dating), the waitress tells him that cheeseburgers are not on their menu because the chef doesn&#8217;t know how to make them (eHarmony&#8217;s founder does not know how to translate his methods to a homosexual clientele). Carnivore sues and wins, judge tells waitress to start selling the beef!<br />
I used to be in business (closed it when I moved), and would not want a judge to tell me that I had to take responsibilty for working in a way that I knew nothing about. Should accountants be told they have to file tax returns for people in England? This is exactly why I voted yes on prop 8 &#8211; but now the gay community is getting the results they wanted anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Wendy Kaneen</title>
		<link>http://beetlebabee.wordpress.com/2008/11/14/an-analogy/#comment-1521</link>
		<dc:creator>Wendy Kaneen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 05:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great analogy!  We should not be forced to accept something as much as we value and treasure traditional marriage for something so opposed to my personal beliefs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great analogy!  We should not be forced to accept something as much as we value and treasure traditional marriage for something so opposed to my personal beliefs.</p>
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		<title>By: eHarmony Fiasco &#171; Beetle Blogger</title>
		<link>http://beetlebabee.wordpress.com/2008/11/14/an-analogy/#comment-1510</link>
		<dc:creator>eHarmony Fiasco &#171; Beetle Blogger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 21:57:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: beetlebabee</title>
		<link>http://beetlebabee.wordpress.com/2008/11/14/an-analogy/#comment-1476</link>
		<dc:creator>beetlebabee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 00:00:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Certainly relationships outside of marriage are a problem, but not to the degree that the re-definition of marriage is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Certainly relationships outside of marriage are a problem, but not to the degree that the re-definition of marriage is.</p>
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		<title>By: triptotheouthouse</title>
		<link>http://beetlebabee.wordpress.com/2008/11/14/an-analogy/#comment-1475</link>
		<dc:creator>triptotheouthouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 23:50:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think a much bigger moral issue is these guys who go out there and get themselves several &quot;wives&quot;, to whom they are not legally married and then connive the government out of welfare money.

All you people who are so worried about how other people are having sex must have awful sex lives, or non-existent ones; otherwise, why are you so focused upon it.  If you are truly someone who believes in the teachings of your religion, whatever it is, there are many other &quot;moral issues&quot; (like poverty and homelessness) that one would think &quot;do-gooders&quot; would be working on.  

Y&#039;all always want to say that historically and biblically, marriage has always been between one man and one woman, but Solomon had 700 wives, Moses had a couple, and David has several wives, but what WAS his relationship with Jonathan.  Oh, no, maybe Mormons didn&#039;t always think that since they practiced polygamy, but when it was politically convenient (when Utah wanted statehood), they changed there tune.  So in fact, the definition of marriage really has changed throughout time, hasn&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think a much bigger moral issue is these guys who go out there and get themselves several &#8220;wives&#8221;, to whom they are not legally married and then connive the government out of welfare money.</p>
<p>All you people who are so worried about how other people are having sex must have awful sex lives, or non-existent ones; otherwise, why are you so focused upon it.  If you are truly someone who believes in the teachings of your religion, whatever it is, there are many other &#8220;moral issues&#8221; (like poverty and homelessness) that one would think &#8220;do-gooders&#8221; would be working on.  </p>
<p>Y&#8217;all always want to say that historically and biblically, marriage has always been between one man and one woman, but Solomon had 700 wives, Moses had a couple, and David has several wives, but what WAS his relationship with Jonathan.  Oh, no, maybe Mormons didn&#8217;t always think that since they practiced polygamy, but when it was politically convenient (when Utah wanted statehood), they changed there tune.  So in fact, the definition of marriage really has changed throughout time, hasn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: beetlebabee</title>
		<link>http://beetlebabee.wordpress.com/2008/11/14/an-analogy/#comment-1473</link>
		<dc:creator>beetlebabee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 23:13:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trip, I can&#039;t speak for the others, but what I mean when I say &quot;gay lifestyle&quot; is same-sex behavior, because for me there is a moral difference between the actions of individuals who choose to act on same sex tendencies, and those who don&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trip, I can&#8217;t speak for the others, but what I mean when I say &#8220;gay lifestyle&#8221; is same-sex behavior, because for me there is a moral difference between the actions of individuals who choose to act on same sex tendencies, and those who don&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: triptotheouthouse</title>
		<link>http://beetlebabee.wordpress.com/2008/11/14/an-analogy/#comment-1472</link>
		<dc:creator>triptotheouthouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 20:30:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think they should pass a law that says all women should have to buy their underwear at Victoria&#039;s secret and all men should have to buy theirs from International Male.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think they should pass a law that says all women should have to buy their underwear at Victoria&#8217;s secret and all men should have to buy theirs from International Male.</p>
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		<title>By: triptotheouthouse</title>
		<link>http://beetlebabee.wordpress.com/2008/11/14/an-analogy/#comment-1471</link>
		<dc:creator>triptotheouthouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 20:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lisa,

PROVE with scientific facts that gay people are not born gay.  Put your money where your mouth is.

Also, y&#039;all talk about &quot;gay lifestyle&quot;.  Please define that.  I&#039;m gay.  I go to work at the same job I&#039;ve had for more than 20 years, pay my taxes regularly so YOUR children can go to school.  Hurry home from work in the heavy freeway traffic so that I can get my dog out for a walk.  Meet my friends (other dog owners, most of whom are not gay).  Go home, fix dinner, watch some TV, and get myself to bed so that I&#039;m fresh for another day at work.  On weekends, I run errands, try to do some exercise, and go to a movie or out of town to a park for a hike.
Is that the &quot;gay lifestyle&quot; you&#039;re talking about?
I&#039;d say that in reality the &quot;Mormon lifestyle&quot; is further from the mainstream than the lives of most gay people: sending young men out together for 2 years in groups (but, course, not young women), following the demands of a so-called prophet, wearing special underwear, pushing people to get married and have children as soon as possible.  That sounds much more like a different style of life than what most people I know have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lisa,</p>
<p>PROVE with scientific facts that gay people are not born gay.  Put your money where your mouth is.</p>
<p>Also, y&#8217;all talk about &#8220;gay lifestyle&#8221;.  Please define that.  I&#8217;m gay.  I go to work at the same job I&#8217;ve had for more than 20 years, pay my taxes regularly so YOUR children can go to school.  Hurry home from work in the heavy freeway traffic so that I can get my dog out for a walk.  Meet my friends (other dog owners, most of whom are not gay).  Go home, fix dinner, watch some TV, and get myself to bed so that I&#8217;m fresh for another day at work.  On weekends, I run errands, try to do some exercise, and go to a movie or out of town to a park for a hike.<br />
Is that the &#8220;gay lifestyle&#8221; you&#8217;re talking about?<br />
I&#8217;d say that in reality the &#8220;Mormon lifestyle&#8221; is further from the mainstream than the lives of most gay people: sending young men out together for 2 years in groups (but, course, not young women), following the demands of a so-called prophet, wearing special underwear, pushing people to get married and have children as soon as possible.  That sounds much more like a different style of life than what most people I know have.</p>
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