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		<title>By: Chairm</title>
		<link>http://beetlebabee.wordpress.com/2009/06/25/parents-are-the-enemy/#comment-6006</link>
		<dc:creator>Chairm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 08:51:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No one is a human being on the sayso of someone else. The embryonic human being possesses her own life albeit as premature and highly dependant individual who relies on other human beings -- including her mother. 

You, Smokezero, are a collection of cellular tissue and genetic material. But that does not disqualify you as a unique member of the human species.

If there is a conflcit between your right to continue to live and the right of someone else to continue to live, then, obviously there would be a dire need for balancing competing rights. So your tragic examples (the hard cases) that you have just emphasized do not demonstrate that the human being at her most vulnerable stage of development is analogous with the cancerous tissue that is part of an individual and not a distinct human being.

It doesn&#039;t matter that some people are ill-informed and choose to see the human being as something other than a human being. Their misperception does not decide the objective facts of human embryology.

Self-governance is based on respecting the human dignity of our fellow human beings -- the most vulnerable amongst demand by their very existence far more protection than what you just described.

Since when is one&#039;s freedom defined by discarding someone else just because that someone else is unwanted? You know that is what PP is really about and not really about the hard cases and the dire circumstances that you described. Hence my previous comment about proportionality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one is a human being on the sayso of someone else. The embryonic human being possesses her own life albeit as premature and highly dependant individual who relies on other human beings &#8212; including her mother. </p>
<p>You, Smokezero, are a collection of cellular tissue and genetic material. But that does not disqualify you as a unique member of the human species.</p>
<p>If there is a conflcit between your right to continue to live and the right of someone else to continue to live, then, obviously there would be a dire need for balancing competing rights. So your tragic examples (the hard cases) that you have just emphasized do not demonstrate that the human being at her most vulnerable stage of development is analogous with the cancerous tissue that is part of an individual and not a distinct human being.</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t matter that some people are ill-informed and choose to see the human being as something other than a human being. Their misperception does not decide the objective facts of human embryology.</p>
<p>Self-governance is based on respecting the human dignity of our fellow human beings &#8212; the most vulnerable amongst demand by their very existence far more protection than what you just described.</p>
<p>Since when is one&#8217;s freedom defined by discarding someone else just because that someone else is unwanted? You know that is what PP is really about and not really about the hard cases and the dire circumstances that you described. Hence my previous comment about proportionality.</p>
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		<title>By: Smokezero</title>
		<link>http://beetlebabee.wordpress.com/2009/06/25/parents-are-the-enemy/#comment-5982</link>
		<dc:creator>Smokezero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 08:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its a collection of cellular tissue, which may constitute a life, but that is up to the mother to decide. Sometimes, abortions are necessary to save the life of the would be mother. The fetus can get lodged in the fallopian tubes, and could rupture the tubes, causing the death of the fetus, possible death of the mother, and if not death, she could not have children again because of the destruction caused.

Planned Parenthood does not encourage people to get out and have abortions because they are fun, exciting, worth while, will make you cool, could save your soul, etc. They offer a service to women who need a medical procedure. Some see the fetus as a simple collection of genetic tissue, much like a cancerous tumor. Others see the fetus as a baby. But, it isn&#039;t the &quot;government&#039;s job&quot; to mandate that type of &quot;moral code.&quot; That is left up to self governance. The same self governance that is touted as the center for &quot;free market economics&quot; must be available for &quot;free society.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its a collection of cellular tissue, which may constitute a life, but that is up to the mother to decide. Sometimes, abortions are necessary to save the life of the would be mother. The fetus can get lodged in the fallopian tubes, and could rupture the tubes, causing the death of the fetus, possible death of the mother, and if not death, she could not have children again because of the destruction caused.</p>
<p>Planned Parenthood does not encourage people to get out and have abortions because they are fun, exciting, worth while, will make you cool, could save your soul, etc. They offer a service to women who need a medical procedure. Some see the fetus as a simple collection of genetic tissue, much like a cancerous tumor. Others see the fetus as a baby. But, it isn&#8217;t the &#8220;government&#8217;s job&#8221; to mandate that type of &#8220;moral code.&#8221; That is left up to self governance. The same self governance that is touted as the center for &#8220;free market economics&#8221; must be available for &#8220;free society.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: beetlebabee</title>
		<link>http://beetlebabee.wordpress.com/2009/06/25/parents-are-the-enemy/#comment-5979</link>
		<dc:creator>beetlebabee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 07:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;&quot;Only if you think that a woman doesn’t have a right to choose her own medical procedures. And I’d put “Focus on the Family” as well as many other “Religious Right” lobby groups as more insidious and anti-liberty than P.P.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

Smokezero, that only makes sense if you believe the woman&#039;s rights to be the only rights at stake, as Planned Parenthood does.  Somehow, children don&#039;t enter into Planned Parenthood&#039;s picture of who gets to have rights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8220;Only if you think that a woman doesn’t have a right to choose her own medical procedures. And I’d put “Focus on the Family” as well as many other “Religious Right” lobby groups as more insidious and anti-liberty than P.P.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Smokezero, that only makes sense if you believe the woman&#8217;s rights to be the only rights at stake, as Planned Parenthood does.  Somehow, children don&#8217;t enter into Planned Parenthood&#8217;s picture of who gets to have rights.</p>
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		<title>By: Smokezero</title>
		<link>http://beetlebabee.wordpress.com/2009/06/25/parents-are-the-enemy/#comment-5978</link>
		<dc:creator>Smokezero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 07:13:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Only if you think that a woman doesn&#039;t have a right to choose her own medical procedures. And I&#039;d put &quot;Focus on the Family&quot; as well as many other &quot;Religious Right&quot; lobby groups as more insidious and anti-liberty than P.P.

The outrage towards this lobby group does not match the other lobby groups, corporate interests, and other vile people who are siphoning money, so its not just about &quot;evil lobby groups.&quot; This is about &quot;Lobby group I disagree with.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only if you think that a woman doesn&#8217;t have a right to choose her own medical procedures. And I&#8217;d put &#8220;Focus on the Family&#8221; as well as many other &#8220;Religious Right&#8221; lobby groups as more insidious and anti-liberty than P.P.</p>
<p>The outrage towards this lobby group does not match the other lobby groups, corporate interests, and other vile people who are siphoning money, so its not just about &#8220;evil lobby groups.&#8221; This is about &#8220;Lobby group I disagree with.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Chairm</title>
		<link>http://beetlebabee.wordpress.com/2009/06/25/parents-are-the-enemy/#comment-5975</link>
		<dc:creator>Chairm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 06:22:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is the question of proportionality. PP tips the scales by a huge amount, Smokezero, because its influence is not just as a lobby group and its purpose is profoundly insiduous, anti-family, and anti-liberty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is the question of proportionality. PP tips the scales by a huge amount, Smokezero, because its influence is not just as a lobby group and its purpose is profoundly insiduous, anti-family, and anti-liberty.</p>
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		<title>By: Smokezero</title>
		<link>http://beetlebabee.wordpress.com/2009/06/25/parents-are-the-enemy/#comment-5964</link>
		<dc:creator>Smokezero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 20:34:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The point of indignation I see is that she is upset with &quot;abortion clinics&quot; and other more religious issues. The govenrment giving money to planned parenthood is a bad idea, but I&#039;d focus my &quot;righteous indignation&quot; towards the entire practice of Corporate Welfare, not just abortion. Lobbyists are a horrible mechanism that has inbedded itself in our system, but I don&#039;t see the anger towards those soulless leaches. Just &quot;planned parenthood.&quot;

James Dobson, Planned Parenthood, and a plethora of other lobby groups have made their beds as overglorified ideas, and if you are going to get mad at PP, why not focus some of this anger towards Focus on the Family too? They also get government kickbacks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The point of indignation I see is that she is upset with &#8220;abortion clinics&#8221; and other more religious issues. The govenrment giving money to planned parenthood is a bad idea, but I&#8217;d focus my &#8220;righteous indignation&#8221; towards the entire practice of Corporate Welfare, not just abortion. Lobbyists are a horrible mechanism that has inbedded itself in our system, but I don&#8217;t see the anger towards those soulless leaches. Just &#8220;planned parenthood.&#8221;</p>
<p>James Dobson, Planned Parenthood, and a plethora of other lobby groups have made their beds as overglorified ideas, and if you are going to get mad at PP, why not focus some of this anger towards Focus on the Family too? They also get government kickbacks.</p>
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		<title>By: beetlebabee</title>
		<link>http://beetlebabee.wordpress.com/2009/06/25/parents-are-the-enemy/#comment-5908</link>
		<dc:creator>beetlebabee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 16:13:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Done.  Spill it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Done.  Spill it.</p>
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		<title>By: Chino Blanco</title>
		<link>http://beetlebabee.wordpress.com/2009/06/25/parents-are-the-enemy/#comment-5899</link>
		<dc:creator>Chino Blanco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 09:53:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not sure why my previous comment double-posted, sorry about that.

No problem.  Let me know once you&#039;ve made your donation, and then I&#039;ll tell you what I&#039;ve heard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure why my previous comment double-posted, sorry about that.</p>
<p>No problem.  Let me know once you&#8217;ve made your donation, and then I&#8217;ll tell you what I&#8217;ve heard.</p>
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		<title>By: beetlebabee</title>
		<link>http://beetlebabee.wordpress.com/2009/06/25/parents-are-the-enemy/#comment-5878</link>
		<dc:creator>beetlebabee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chino Blanco/Jason, where did you hear this information about CRI?  I know many places are hurting with this economy, but I hadn&#039;t heard it was that bad for them.   It&#039;s a shame because they&#039;re such a great resource.  Thanks for the tip.  I&#039;ll go make a donation.   http://www.capitolresource.org/donate.php</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chino Blanco/Jason, where did you hear this information about CRI?  I know many places are hurting with this economy, but I hadn&#8217;t heard it was that bad for them.   It&#8217;s a shame because they&#8217;re such a great resource.  Thanks for the tip.  I&#8217;ll go make a donation.   <a href="http://www.capitolresource.org/donate.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.capitolresource.org/donate.php</a></p>
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		<title>By: Chairm</title>
		<link>http://beetlebabee.wordpress.com/2009/06/25/parents-are-the-enemy/#comment-5877</link>
		<dc:creator>Chairm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:22:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is not the Government&#039;s role to render the parental role subservient.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is not the Government&#8217;s role to render the parental role subservient.</p>
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