Teacher’s Association Backlash

Oppose the CTA!  Oppose Same Sex Marriage in Our Schools!

Write!  Donate!  Vote Yes on 8!

TEACHERS—New information from a fellow blogger, check it out:  If you are a teacher and don’t want your CTA monies going to political campaigns, download form directly here:  Click here for opt-out-form

By teachers filling out this form:

  1. No school funding is effected
  2. Monies donated by teachers cannot be used in political campaigns. (Even if only 100 teachers fill out this form, that is at least $20,000- $30,000 taken out of their political funds!)
  3. Teachers do not lose benefits and protections CTA can provide.

Once you get the form, forward the form to other CA teachers you know, send CTA a message that will really effect them!

PARENTS: Many parents of public school children are going to try to counter CTA’s meddlesome donation on Tuesday, October 21, 2008, by DONATING $35, $50 OR $100 TO Protect Marriage here: https://www.icontribute.us/protectmarriage/initiative/main .   Make sure to put “CTA” in the referral box!

EVERYONE: CTA President David Sanchez donated over 1 million dollars of our teacher’s money to the No on 8 campaign.  These people fought to take away parent’s right to be notified of gay marriage indoctrination in their schools.  Get the facts!  Write and let them know your opposition!

David A. Sanchez, President of the CTA

David A. Sanchez, President of the CTA

Contact David A. Sanchez

California Teachers Association
P.O. Box 921
1705 Murchison Drive
Burlingame, CA 94011-0921
Phone: (650) 552-5305
E-mail: dsanchez@cta.org



  1. lahona said,

    October 19, 2008 at 8:50 pm

    Right on!

  2. Vincent Hull said,

    October 20, 2008 at 10:04 am

    As a parent and grandparent I strongly support the peaceable walkout of California students on 10-21. I am indignant at the CTA support of the No on 8 campaign. It clearly shows intent long disguised but often suspected by a born and raised 5th generation Californian.

  3. Linda Urmston said,

    October 20, 2008 at 11:45 am

    I support the teacher’s as they ask for their dues to be refunded. I do feel that by pulling our students out the local schools will lose their ADA for the day and in the end it hurts the individual schools. I think an early out would be a way to get the point across without hurting our individual schools which would imapact our students. A late start would also be an option. Also is the mews media being contacted to cover this Oct. 21st impact day.

  4. Troy said,

    October 20, 2008 at 12:43 pm

    I’m writing letters too. The best protests are the peaceful ones. I can’t imagine that the teacher’s union would be supporting this unless they had an agenda for our kids. The schools too. This isn’t part of education. I don’t want to see our great state go down like Massachusetts.

  5. Michele said,

    October 20, 2008 at 12:55 pm

    Way to set an example for your children and your students. You all should be ashamed of yourselves! Stop promoting hate and discrimination! Teaching your children THAT is far more damaging than anything that could happen as a result of Prop. 8’s failure.

  6. freeman341 said,

    October 20, 2008 at 1:09 pm

    Michele, that’s kind of harsh language for a group you know nothing about. Peaceful protest is our right. My kids are going to be home, learning about freedom of speech rights. Protest the CTA, Protest the indoctrination of our kids!

  7. supermomx3 said,

    October 20, 2008 at 1:12 pm

    Our voices will be heard! Count us in!

  8. Josie said,

    October 20, 2008 at 1:17 pm

    I agree with Michele. This is the sort of stuff that was done back in the ’60s when desegregation took place. How can you not see the similarities???

  9. October 20, 2008 at 1:30 pm

    I agree with Michele. I am a christian and based on what I have been taught about Jesus’ life & teachings I feel that he promoted tolerance towards all – especially those people who differ from us. I hope that Prop. 8 is defeated based on the fact that it would curtail California’s equal protection rights under the state’s constitution. I would also hope that the proponents of Prop. 8 seriously think about what will happen to their children if their parents choose for them to grow up in a predudiced and inequitable society.

  10. beetlebabee said,

    October 20, 2008 at 1:33 pm

    Josie, This is the sort of stuff that was done back in the sixties, you’re right. Peaceful Protest! It’s all American! Support our freedoms!

  11. Psudospy said,

    October 20, 2008 at 1:59 pm

    It is important to make sure your sick out supporters fax a letter to the school letting them know WHY their child was kept out, also contact the teacher and request they consider contacting their union.

  12. Sherry said,

    October 20, 2008 at 2:08 pm

    I do not agree this is the same as desegregation. Prop 8 is about un-doing a wrong decision that those SF judges made. They decided that my right to free speech and freedom of religion was not as important as gay marriage. This is not about hate or predudice. Funny that all the hate talk and meaness comes from those oposing prop 8…. why is that? Peaceful demonstrating is the way to go, Yay Prop 8!

  13. Psudospy said,

    October 20, 2008 at 2:10 pm

    Also, I believe if a child is “sick” the school still gets their money. We have to make sure we let the schools KNOW why our children are not at school. It has nothing to do with illness other than feeling sick to our stomachs about what is going on with the CTA!

  14. Josie said,

    October 20, 2008 at 2:21 pm

    Sherry – “SF judges” did not make a decision… “CA” judges made the decision. No one decided that your “right to free speech and freedom of religion” was less important. That is exactly the point — NO ONE should have more rights than anyone else. “Hate talk and meanness comes from those opposing prop 8” –> REALLY? Can you honestly say that without laughing?

  15. lahona said,

    October 20, 2008 at 2:22 pm

    I have a question for Laura Celeste. Was Jesus being Predudiced when he drove the money changers out of the temple grounds?
    Of course he wasn’t. There are lines that can be crossed that even the Savior could not tolerate. It is the exact same situation here in this case. A line has been crossed, CTA’s donation to no on prop 8 was just as inapropriate as the money changers buying and selling on the temple grounds. So we are folowing our Saviors example in this situation, and doing so peacefully.

  16. lahona said,

    October 20, 2008 at 2:28 pm

    Josie, There has been a litteral flood of hate talk and meaness comming from those who appose prop 8. To not be able to see that shows a serious lack of objectivity on your part. Am I saying that those who support prop 8 have all been perfecty well mannered? No, but from what I have observed, the vast majority of ill will has come from those apposed to prop 8.

  17. Josie said,

    October 20, 2008 at 2:42 pm

    Lahona – i was responding to this comment: “Funny that all the hate talk and meaness comes from those oposing prop 8”.

  18. October 20, 2008 at 2:46 pm

    Lahona – that is an entirely different issue. Jesus driving the money changers out of the temple grounds was about his reaction to business being conducted on sacred ground. Proponents of Prop. 8 are using church pulpits in the same way – to conduct the business of politics using religion as an excuse to promote intolerance. This isn’t about allowing gay and lesbian couples to marry in any church or religious ceremony anyway. It is about the civil right to marry in a state – not church – sanctioned ceremony. Think about it this way – people should be able to have different beliefs and values and still be treated fairly. And even if we disagree on who should be allowed to marry – it doesn’t mean that the marriage should be deemed illegal. You are free to keep your children home from school if that is what you want you want to do. And should your child or children turn out to be “different” – then I hope for their sake that by the time that day comes that you have broadened your horizons and are no longer so narrow minded.

  19. lahona said,

    October 20, 2008 at 3:03 pm

    Threatening marriage is treading on sacred ground. There is no difference here. Pulpits are being used to promote prop 8 because the homosexual movment is using politics to make policies that threaten our religions, our schools and our families. Churches aren’t discussing who they think the next President should be, but they are encouraging their members to stand up for the sanctity of marriage, one of the most sacred institutions that God ever established here on earth. Homosexuals already have civil unions, which are state sanctioned. That is fine. Marriage and its definition has always been taught in church.

    And should any of my children turn out to be “different” as you put it, won’t make me love them any less. I will help them and encourage them to do whats right. It is the same relationship that I have with God. He dosent love me any less when I make mistakes. There is nothing “narrow minded” about that.

  20. October 20, 2008 at 3:21 pm

    Lahona – you obviously have issues with homophobia. I am not sure what you mean by the “homosexual movement” – if you mean the right to the same civil liberties as the rest of us, than God bless that movement for standing up for the right to treated fairly and and have the same chance as anyone to pursue their hopes and dreams.
    One more thing you might also want to consider how your children will feel years from now when your peaceful protest is compared to those of white southern parents who kept their children home years ago in similar peaceful protest of school integration. I happen to personally know, having gone to school in the south, that many of them were embarrassed by the fact that their parents were part of a blatant protest against equality. And think about this as well – opposing the legalization of same-sex marriage is really not any different than supporting the race-based restrictions on marriage that were in place in 1958, when a mixed-race couple. Mildred and Richard Loving. were married in Virginia in violation of that state’s anti-miscengenation law.
    Our government has no business imposing the religious beliefs of some over the civil rights of others.

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  22. abbyearth said,

    October 20, 2008 at 3:37 pm

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  23. Amy said,

    October 20, 2008 at 4:08 pm

    Count us in! Thanks goodness someone is so on top of this- Thanks to everyone for organizing this!

  24. Julia said,

    October 20, 2008 at 4:09 pm

    I’m really tired of what the “against 8” side’s definition of tolerance is …

    Our kids no longer have “Christmas” or “Easter” vacations because the schools must be tolerant of other faiths & beliefs, but to force the gay agenda down our throats when we have religious beliefs that differ from that immoral behavior – how is that being tolerant of our beliefs? My children will definitely be “sick” tomorrow! We don’t hate gay people – but immorality is immorality & we don’t condone it! We definitely don’t want our children taught that living in an immoral union is all right, beautiful and showing tolerance for all God’s creatures!

  25. Josie said,

    October 20, 2008 at 4:31 pm

    Good point earlier: “opposing the legalization of same-sex marriage is really not any different than supporting the race-based restrictions on marriage that were in place in 1958, when a mixed-race couple. Mildred and Richard Loving were married in Virginia in violation of that state’s anti-miscengenation law.”

    will fall on deaf ears though.

  26. Aneshonsmom said,

    October 20, 2008 at 4:52 pm

    I am disgusted with the CTA! I am supporting the Sick Out and plan on emailing Mr. Sanchez, with a piece of my mind. I will also encourage my children’s teachers to get a refund for their union dues.

    I support Proposition 8 because I voted in 2000 to keep marriage between a man and a woman and my vote was overturned without my consent!

  27. Sherry said,

    October 20, 2008 at 5:02 pm

    Josie, this is no laughing matter. Marriage is based on religion. Most religion doesn’t condone same sex marriage. Why is the gay community stiving so hard to have the religious label of marriage put on them? They already have all the rights and prilivages of marriage, just under the label civil unions. Prop 8 secures my rights to freedom of speech and freedom of religion in being able to teach my children our beliefs. Declaring a civil right should be based on something that you can’t change such as skin color. Individuals who are gay, choose their behavior. This issue is not the same as black vs. white… and comparing the two only purposefully confuses the real issue. Tolerance goes only so far, a line must be drawn here. And when you step on my rights, I start to push back.

  28. beetlebabee said,

    October 20, 2008 at 5:06 pm

    I am personally doing this because I’m so angry and upset that the California Teacher’s Association is so closely tied with activist gay issues. Our schools are not social experimentation labs for the gay rights lobby. The amount of money the CTA donated to the NO on 8 campaign is staggering. It shows the lengths they will go to in supporting gay rights in our schools if proposition 8 fails.

    If the schools start teaching about the homosexual lifestyle in the schools, I will have to pull my children out, and all like minded people will have no choice but to pull their children out. Let’s show the CTA what that really looks like and make sure that’s what they want before they go furthering the gay agenda in our schools.

  29. lahona said,

    October 20, 2008 at 5:11 pm

    Sherry thankyou for your comment. Those were my thoughts exactly.

  30. Psudospy said,

    October 20, 2008 at 5:12 pm

    Lahona, your posts are well thought out and right on point!

    Julia, Thanks for your thoughts on tolerance, good job!

    What a good site this is! Excellent information!

  31. Carolyn said,

    October 20, 2008 at 5:41 pm

    w-o-w….the deaf ears and short sightedness is nothing like I have ever experienced before! This issue is not about same sex couples having a right to marry. If it is….apparently all they are after is a marriage certificate – a piece of paper! Because under CA law, domestic partners ALREADY have the same rights and privileges as married couples. What this is really about is further litigation to make sure this is taught in schools (already happening). To make sure same sex couples can sue churches who would rather not perform their marriage (already happening). To make sure that words like “traditional marriage” are considered hate speech and you can be fired for uttering them in the work place (already happening). To make sure doctors can be sued for not artificially inseminating a same sex couple (already happening). And so on and so on. These are not “what if’s”.
    Most true christian people go about their day trying to be productive law abiding citizens. I don’t go around pushing my beliefs on anybody. I love all people…including gays. My daughters best friend has two mommies and I treat them as I would any good friends. It seems to me that there will be some kind of loss felt by either the “yes” or “no” on eight group. But I think society on the whole will take the greater loss if it doesn’t pass. Maybe the same sex couples can be satisfied with the loss of a piece of paper.

  32. Barry said,

    October 20, 2008 at 6:04 pm

    I agree with ALL of the opions which have been expressed. In addition: The California Teachers Association
    has just eliminated all arguments that they might have had conerning a pay increase for our teachers. How can they ask for any type increase when they so foolishly spent $1,000,000.00 on an opinion that only represents a portion of the teachers. If I were a Teacher in California I would demand that NO MORE dues be taken from my paycheck until Mr. Sanchez is removed from his office.

  33. Roger Waters said,

    October 20, 2008 at 6:54 pm

    As Andrew Jackson said:

    “Here, the PEOPLE rule”.

    Not unelected judges but the PEOPLE rule.

    My 3 daughters wont be attending school tomorrow.

  34. theleinwebers said,

    October 20, 2008 at 7:17 pm

    When and where did this originate? Is it a statewide “sick-out”? I really think this is a great idea, but it’s 7:15 the night before and this is the first I’ve heard of it. Will it do any good if the three families in our district that know about it, participate. No one will even notice that we’re gone. I wish it could have been planned for the end of the week so we would have some time to get the word out.

  35. theleinwebers said,

    October 20, 2008 at 7:28 pm

    Would it still be effective if our district organizes it for a different day?

  36. beetlebabee said,

    October 20, 2008 at 7:52 pm

    Just to let you know, I’ve personally heard Orange County, Ventura County and Sacramento County are all having public rallies on this….and that’s only what I’ve heard so far.

  37. denise said,

    October 20, 2008 at 8:35 pm

    My kids will be out of school tomorrow!

  38. Mark D said,

    October 20, 2008 at 9:12 pm

    This is awesome! We really need to support this. I too was shocked at the CTA’s actions. It makes one want to pack up the family and leave california with people like David Sanchez at the CTA healm.

  39. October 20, 2008 at 9:31 pm

    This is despicable! The CTA is spending money to “protect” rights? What? Everyone is already guaranteed those rights under California law. David Sanchex has some explaining to do to the teachers who could use that money for something like…umm….how about building a new school? Or hiring more teachers so the classrooms aren’t crowded? Or buying supplies?

    Our kids will be out of school tomorrow and we support this sick-out 100%!

  40. Kelly said,

    October 20, 2008 at 9:32 pm

    I am so upset that the CTA donated money to the no on prop 8 campaign. I am a teacher in this state and I do not support the gay agenda being taught in our schools. I also wonder how they can support this and then not give teachers more money or fund learning experiences in our schools. I will be keeping my child out of school tomorrow. I hope that enough people hear about this grassroots effort.

  41. Gramma Lou said,

    October 20, 2008 at 9:43 pm

    This is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard! It is simply absurd to think that school funds should go to further any political maneuver — let alone such an important one in the lives of children and families. Mark me Pro-family! and FOR proposition 8.

  42. hillary said,

    October 20, 2008 at 10:02 pm

    I hope it’s ok if I copy and paste on my blog. I promise to give you props!

  43. beetlebabee said,

    October 20, 2008 at 10:15 pm

    “I hope it’s ok if I copy and paste on my blog. I promise to give you props!”

    Copy and Paste away, the CTA Tuesday is not actually my idea, I got it from somewhere in email land. Who knows who it actually started with. It was so well worded, I just copied and pasted it here. The grass roots out in California are plentiful and strong!

  44. Jeff Hardoin said,

    October 20, 2008 at 11:19 pm

    I hate to break it to those who oppose Prop. 8, but gays already have all the same rights that others do in the State of CA. In fact, they have more rights! I work for the State, and if I had a female domestic partner, she cannot be covered by my insurance, etc. Yet gay domestic partners can be covered by their State worker domestic partner. Where’s the equal in that?

    If you want to talk about “hate” and “being mean”, why did someone steal my “YES on Prop. 8” sign from my front yard? Seems pretty mean to me to enter my property and take my sign. Weren’t my rights violated? All this talk about tolerance drives me crazy! I don’t remember supporters of Prop. 8 ever saying that we aren’t tolerant of gays. I work with several gay people. i don’t hate them. But when this Proposition will infringe on my right to practice what I believe that goes to far. Was’t this country built on religious freedom? And yet, if No on Prop. 8 passes, my church can be sued for refusing to marry gay people because we don’t believe in marriage between anyone other than one man and one woman.

    The right to marry should be taken out of the hands of the government. If one church wants to marry gays and another church doesn’t believe in it, then it should be up to the church.

    Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve!

  45. Jeff Hardoin said,

    October 20, 2008 at 11:24 pm

    Oh, and keep in mind that striking down Prop. 8 works right into the CTA’s hands. Remember they backed the law that only those who have a teaching credential can home school.

  46. Sharon said,

    October 20, 2008 at 11:44 pm

    Actually gays don’t have the same rights under the domestic partnership law. They still don’t have the right to visit in the hospital or even ride in the ambulance with their loved one should one of them need to be transported. They don’t have the right to receive social securty or retirement benefits like married couples do. The list of the what the domestic partner law doesn’t allow goes on and on. It seems to me that many people who are for Prop 8 are coming at it from a religious stand point, but aren’t we suppose to seperate church and state? Also, whose religion are we suppose to follow? The Christian religion? Buddist? Jewish? Which one? It seems we get so caught up in fighting to be able to say “I’m right!”, that we forget about the one core belief that we all have which is a peaceful society and I just don’t see how seperating anyone out can work for us to achieve this.

    I know there are some concerns about churches losing their tax exempt status. Nothing in Prop 8 would force churches to do anything. In fact, the court decision regarding marriage specifically says “no religion will be required to change its religious policies or practices with regard to same-sex couples, and no religious officiate will be required to solemnize a marriage in contravention of his or her religious beliefs.”

    I realize that there have been some people out there that support my vote of NO on prop 8 who have resorted to name calling and sign stealing and for that I appologize. There is no need for that and it is my belief that some who are voting yes on 8 is no more closed some who are voting no on prop 8. The closed minded doesn’t come into play when you are stating your belief, it only comes into belief when one is determined to not even attempt to see the others side.

  47. beetlebabee said,

    October 21, 2008 at 12:06 am

    Well, my score so far is “No on 8” three signs, Beetlebabee 1. But the one that’s left is one honker of a billboard! Let’s see’m take that baby down! You can steal my signs but you can’t steal my vote! So do your worst!

  48. prop8discussion said,

    October 21, 2008 at 1:09 am

    beetlebabee, my brother is not going to school tomorrow, as siblings we are all very jealous we can’t participate in the “sick day”

  49. lahona said,

    October 21, 2008 at 4:03 am

    Sharon, while I do not agree with your argument or your stance on prop 8, I appriciate your openes and willingness to see things from our point of view.

    I do believe in seperation of church and state. But it is not we, who support prop 8, who are crossing the line on this issue. Since the formation of this country, we have enjoyed great freedoms when it comes to practicing religion. But now we feel that the government is begining to strip those rights from us. They are crossing the line. This is why you can see so many churches putting aside thier differences and banding together in support of prop 8. It is a beautifull thing to see.

  50. beetlebabee said,

    October 21, 2008 at 5:54 am

    Prop8discussion, Sometimes that sick feeling you get when you read about the CTA manifests in different ways….some actually hurl, others write letters! We all do what we can, and it all makes a difference. Last night my kids and I stood at the corners of our small town with 60 other people and waved pro-family prop 8 signs. It was a pretty awesome experience. The intersection was just broiling with honking horns and waving passersby (all finger waves! The best kind!)

    The responses over the last few months are getting more and more positive it seems to me. That would be my gut instinct polling data showing. People are starting to understand what prop 8 is, and who the opposition to it is…vandals, thieves, people who hurl bottles at kids, ….teacher’s associations… I just think the awareness is growing about how this proposition will protect marriage and families.

  51. Brian Mitchell said,

    October 21, 2008 at 7:09 am

    With only two weeks to go before the election it is time to keep our eye on the goal. Simply, we want as many “Yes” votes as possible. Right now the CTA has donated money for a cause many of its 340,000 members hopefully do not support. Many of them may be the fence sitters that the sign waving and door knocking and phone calls have been trying to reach. Many of those CTA members may be angered by the actions of their union and vote “No”. A sick out will do nothing to punish the CTA. All it will do is double whammy the teacher who may want to vote “yes” by impacting their lesson plan and limiting funds to the school they each fight for. In my experience I am always angriest at the most recent person to hit me. I think we should keep our eyes on the prize, seek “yes” votes by empathizing with the teachers who have been hit by their union, expressing our concerns for the action of their union and encouraging a “yes” vote.

    This is from the CTA website:

    “CTA is the state’s largest representative of education employees, serving more than 340,000 employees of California’s schools, colleges and universities. It exists primarily to protect and advance the professional and economic interests of its members. CTA works for better working conditions, higher salaries, improved health benefits, progressive personnel policies and an affordable and dignified retirement.”

    I believe we should send correspondence to as many authorities as possible expressing our concern that the CTA’s political stance on this issue goes beyond their stated purpose as an organization. Encourage their membership to fill out the forms to get their “contribution” back. Any action we take on this should be in support of “yes” votes and in support of the teachers.

  52. Lisa said,

    October 21, 2008 at 7:26 am

    My kids will be staying home, and we have been passing along “sick-out” e-mails to all out Cali friends. I would love to have a count on how many kids stay home! (-:

  53. beetlebabee said,

    October 21, 2008 at 7:41 am

    This effort is more than just local, but my local area was mobilizing for this morning but the school district spoke with us and we decided to morph into a letter writing campaign. The teachers in the district will give those letters to their union and have their voices heard.

  54. beetlebabee said,

    October 21, 2008 at 7:44 am

    This is an alternative option if you choose, it can be effective as well:

    21 October 2008

    Dear Teacher,

    As you are probably aware a grassroots effort had called for parents to hold their children out of school today in a ‘sick out’ to protest the California Teachers Association’s (CTA) decision to contribute 1.25 million dollars towards defeating Proposition 8. My child will be in your class today; not because I am opposed to the concept behind the effort, but rather I don’t want to see the school district penalized financially for my child being out of school.

    I trust that you are as outraged by the CTA decision as I am. Therefore, I would ask you to take the following remedial actions.

    1. A website has been set up for teachers to register their displeasure with the actions of the CTA. I would encourage you to add your voice at http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?key=ptIwgdh004nCOFEqufiYqQw&hl=en
    2. I understand that you have a right to request a refund of the portion of your union dues spent on this type of lobbying. I strongly urge you to do so. Information on doing this can be found at http://www.nrtw.org/special-legal-notice-california-teachers-how-get-least-300-refund-cta-nonbargaining-expenses
    3. If you are successful in getting a refund of a portion of your dues, please consider donating it to the Protect Marriage coalition. This will help offset the damage done by the CTA. You can do this at http://www.protectmarriage.com
    4. Pass information on to colleagues about how you feel and ask them to join you in this battle against the irresponsible and immoral actions of the CTA.

    I appreciate the work you do teaching the children of our community.


  55. notedscholar said,

    October 21, 2008 at 8:23 am

    Teachers + politics = bad. Teachers + knowledge = error.

  56. beetlebabee said,

    October 21, 2008 at 8:25 am

    Good point. I don’t think the teachers got to vote on this donation to NO on 8, I think a lot of them are angry as well. I’m glad in our area at least that the teachers are working with us.

  57. Concerned said,

    October 21, 2008 at 8:30 am

    This is not going to help Prop 8, nor will it hurt the CTA. When you keep your child home from school, the school and your child get hurt. Every day your child is present, the school gets more money from the state which the District uses to educate your child. If your sick-out keeps kids out of school, how does that hurt the CTA? It doesn’t. Schools are already strapped enough as it is. The schools did not support the CTA’s donation. In fact, the schools are almost always opposed to what the CTA does. You are hurting the wrong people, and most importantly, your children. Instead, make your voices heard to the CTA directly.

  58. beetlebabee said,

    October 21, 2008 at 8:31 am

    Concerned, See the changes above.

  59. Concerned said,

    October 21, 2008 at 8:35 am

    Thanks. I was posting in response to several emails from your original post that have made its way around the net–without your revisions.

  60. beetlebabee said,

    October 21, 2008 at 8:38 am

    This movement didn’t begin here, but this has been a jumping off place for other blogs who picked it up and spread it far and wide. Hopefully, the letter campaign too will get around.

  61. Bethany said,

    October 21, 2008 at 8:40 am

    Regardless of how people feel about Prop 8, I think it is absolutely ridiculous that the CTA spent $1 million on a political issue, when they could have spent that money on classroom supplies, books, or programs that need funding. I’d rather they used that money to teach our children, than get involved in highly divisive political issues.

  62. Sharon said,

    October 21, 2008 at 8:44 am


    Thank you for at least acknowledging my comments and while I disagree, I do in fact understand you side. The question is, do you understand my side?

    I’ve seen some posts on here where people are upset that their signs have been stolen. I don’t think that’s the right way to go about things, but I would hope you might understand the frustration and anger that can grow inside a person who has continually been held down.

    Some News Stories

    “Churches organize a series of increasingly hostile demonstrations to protest local LGBT events, going so far as to threaten and spit on pride festival revelers and gay political rally participants.”

    “Religious, racial, and antigay epithets hurled at a local gay man while at the river with friends.” (BTW the two men yelling these things later sent their wives home and hit the man so hard he fell and split his head open. He was rushed to the hospital where he later died from wounds. He was 26.)

    “8th grade boy shot and killed in Jr. High classroom for being gay.”

    “Mathew Shepard beaten and tied to a fence post left to die because he was gay.”

    These stories go on and on and on. While I realize that most of you find these as upsetting as I do, I hope you can understand where some of the pent up anger is coming from. At what point do we draw the line? Removing rights or preventing equal rights seems ok, but not hitting? I hope you would realize that while the physical pain doesn’t exist with the first one, the emotional pain still does.

  63. Amber said,

    October 21, 2008 at 9:00 am

    I’m glad to see that people are AWAKE to how this runaway train that people call “separation of church and state” is affecting our society. I talked to one member of our community in his late 40’s, and he was so dismayed that his generation allowed that movement to continue. He could see how taking God, and patriotism for that matter, out of school has brought us to this Prop 8 crossroads today, as well as other evils. If only we could look into the future and see how this will affect the next generation, and the one after that, and the one after that, we might see why voting YES is so important and why asking others to vote YES is so important. Tolerance is not a greater virtue than righteousness or obedience to God. We can’t let our love of God’s children blind us to the fact that our world is in a battle bettween good and evil. We can love our neighbor and still stand up for what is right. There is a God and there is a Devil, and we do have to pick whose side we are on. Choosing God is what has made our country great thus far. If we choose the wrong side or choose to stand by and let other people tell us there is no right and wrong, then our country will deteriorate and be no different than any other. And then where will go for a refuge?

  64. October 21, 2008 at 10:23 am

    From the L.A. Times – an excellent article refuting the lies that the Yes on * ?Campaign is spreading. Read it if you dare to be open-minded!

    A lesson about Prop. 8
    Despite what proponents say, its defeat would NOT change what California’s schools teach.

    October 21, 2008

    Californians tend to be an open-minded crowd that wouldn’t take kindly to a campaign attacking homosexuality or attempting to strip away people’s rights. So the well-financed and savvy backers of Proposition 8 have produced waves of advertising aimed instead at making voters believe that supporters of same-sex marriage are intent on stripping away everyone else’s rights, and that this ballot measure is the only way for traditionally religious people to retain them.

    With the defeat of this proposed ban on gay marriage, they say, schools would begin indoctrinating children as young as kindergartners to be wholehearted supporters of such marriages. The ads point to the case of a Massachusetts teacher reading the picture book “King and King,” about a gay royal wedding.

    This is emotional stuff for many parents. But the dry reality of California education law tells a different story. Under SB 71, which passed in 2003, the Legislature set out the framework for comprehensive sex education, which includes the brief reference to marriage from which these dire Proposition 8 warnings are drawn: “Instruction and materials shall teach respect for marriage and committed relationships.” Schools aren’t required to teach comprehensive sex education, but if they do, this is one of many rules they must follow. The law also gives schools the option of discussing gender, sexual orientation and family life, though that’s not required as part of the more comprehensive program.

    Most important, the law contains paragraph after paragraph guaranteeing parents the right to review the material being taught and to have their children excused from all or any part of it.

    It would be naive to say that no California teacher will ever mention homosexuality, or that SB 71 prevents all teachers, elementary or otherwise, from reading “King and King” or similar books to their students, or telling them about the history — and existence — of gay marriage. Schools across the nation have done such things for years, with or without legal recognition of gay marriage.

    Proposition 8 would change none of that. The measure would do one thing: use the state Constitution as the device to take away an existing, fundamental right from a particular group of people, so that a loving adult in that group could not marry the person of his or her choice. Teachers will choose books to read and will impart information about the world to their students. That’s true now; it was true before the California Supreme Court ruling in May that recognized the right to same-sex marriage; and it will be true whether Proposition 8 passes or, as it deserves to do, fails.

  65. October 21, 2008 at 10:38 am

    Amber – perhaps you are not aware that this country was founded on the principle of separation of church and state. This “radical” idea from the First Amendment of the United States Constitution came about to ensure that the government would never prohibit the free exercise of religious beliefs. Jesus preached tolerance – so explain to me how that translates to dis-obedience to God? And frankly, the separation of church and state is what makes this country “different than any other.” Your ignorance of the principals of the constituation and of Christ’s preachings regarding tolerance is appalling.

  66. Lynda Clarke said,

    October 21, 2008 at 11:06 am

    I am with you all on the sick out today. All 7 of my children have attended CA schools. I have just 2 left at home attending 8th grade, and 10th grade. They are absent today.I am shocked that the CTA has donated $1,250,000 to the no on Prop 8 campaign. The No on Prop 8 camp has time and again, said that the defeat of Prop 8 would not affect the education of our children…stating all kinds of legalities in their defense. This 1 1/4 million dollars is only a hint and a whisper of the slant that will pervade all the teaching of our children in the public schools. I will be sending a letter to CTA President David Sanchez. I am also going to post it on all the msg boards I frequent with the invitation of my friends there to post of their likemindedness. I will print out those responses and send them with my letter.

    The problem with conservative people like me, is that we always think that the good is going to prevail…so we sit back with a false sense of security…letting seemingly little things that our contrary to our belief and desire, just slide by. Well, now is the time for me to take a stand, and I hope all like minded parents and citiaens will do the same. Afterall, just a few short years ago, this state voted to keep the definition of marriage, between a “man and a woman.” What gives a judge the right to rule in complete opposition of what the people of CA have said they wanted? It’s rediculous, and must stop here!

    I’ve always thought it important to keep my children in the public school system, because I wanted my children to know how to function in the main stream of society, but I am seriously considering taking my children out of the public school system if Prop 8 does not pass. My right to religion and free speech does not end where someone elses perversion begins. With religion aside, homosexuality is a violation of “natural law.” Just because some want to justify it, does not make it right or natural.

    I don’t think sex education belongs in the schools in the first place, and definately should not be in the business of deciding what someones moral or religious standing should be.

    I hate term that some have used here of “homophobe.” It is an insult of the highest degree. I have friends that are gay, and they know my views. I love them and they love me dispite our differences of opinion. Yes there are crazy folks out there who will do or say nasty things, but they do not represent the majority. I for one, would never treat a homosexual with any degree of disrespect, but to love them and be tolorant of them, does not mean I have to say what they are doing is right. That is essentially what Prop 8 is about. If we say that same sex union is as right and santifying as marriage, we are essentially calling something I percieve to be evil, good. Isaiah warned about that in the Old Testament…

    Isa. 5: 20
    20 ¶ Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

    We don’t have to call homosexuality “good” in order to be “tolerant.”

    Let them have whatever rights they may be otherwise lacking, but do not give it the sacred name of “marriage” and pretend it is “normal and natural.”


  67. beetlebabee said,

    October 21, 2008 at 11:47 am

    This is a copy of one of the letters sent to Mr. Sanchez:

    Dear Mr. Sanchez:

    I am very disappointed to know that the CTA has donated $1M to the “No on 8” campaign. I read that your justification is that teachers believe “in teaching the importance of equal rights for all.” How ironic that you chose to support the rights of gay activists, at the expense of the children you are commited to serve. Clearly, gay rights are not the issue, as California law already grants homosexual unions the same rights as married couples. What is at issue is mainstreaming homosexuality into society by equating homosexual union with heterosexual marriage. And by so doing, you indoctrinate our children beginning in public schools with your politically correct definitions of the family unit and field trips such as in the recent news in San Francisco. What is so glaringly obvious is the fact that gay couples are not even capable of conceiving children naturally, and that in order to exercise their right to “parent,” they would intentionally deprive a child of either a mother or a father. The gay community could not have less of a stake in children’s rights. As teachers, you should also know that current science shows homosexuality to be a spectrum phenomenon whereby a person’s sexual identity is affected by environment as well as genetics. Legalizing gay marriage profoundly affects our children’s environment. The CTA’s support of the gay community’s right to change our society’s definition of marriage (which is the only right at issue in Proposition 8), is directly at our children’s expense. As teachers, you are expected to safeguard and defend children’s rights. Shame on you.


  68. beetlebabee said,

    October 21, 2008 at 11:51 am

    If you choose to write a letter to Mr. Sanchez, President of the California Teacher’s Association, his email address is dsanchez@cta.org . If you do write, send me a copy and I’ll post it here. Polite and to the point is very effective.

  69. Concerned Parent said,

    October 21, 2008 at 12:07 pm

    When do I say enough is enough? When a 1st grade class is taken on a field trip to a lesbian wedding as part of the school’s diversity training? It’s already happened. When a doctor in private practice who has worked his whole life to become a doctor is sued and told by a judge to find another profession because he will not go against his conscience and artificially inseminate a lesbian couple? It’s already happened. When kindergarten children are provided pamphlets on gay propaganda? It’s already happened. When church social services are closed after being sued for discrimination for not doing same sex adoptions? It’s already happened. You ask what would Jesus do? Even Christ defended his own house with a whip when necessary! I don’t have any ill feelings against gay people. However, I do have the right to defend the innocence of my children against the gay activists who are trying to twist my children into a gay lifestyle. Same sex couples have all of the rights in civil unions that married couples have, they should not have the right to twist marriage to fit their gay “diversity” or “sensitivity” agenda.

  70. Sharon said,

    October 21, 2008 at 12:10 pm


    Thank you for the info and email address I and many others that support NO on 8 have sent letters thanking and backing this decision to no longer tolorate props that teach segragation is accecptable.

    Thanks again for the info!

  71. Pam said,

    October 21, 2008 at 12:42 pm

    I can’t believe that families who put their kids in your schools and support you on so many issues like funding and pay raises were just alienated by your decision to support prop 8! How dare you take a stand on an issue like this and represent all teachers. Your politics for a moral issue like this should remain neutral! Next you will definitely be pushing the gay agenda on our elementary kids and we will not stand by and let you do this. This act is outrageous!

  72. Sharon said,

    October 21, 2008 at 12:57 pm

    As a gay women, I need your help. I can’t find anyone who has a copy of or even knows what the “gay agenda” is. Can you help me understand what agenda I’m suppose to be following.

    See in my house my partner and I (we’ve been together for 18 yrs) get up in the morning and do paper rock scissors on who is going to make our 9 year old son his lunch. The loser has to go make the lunch while the winner gets to go wake him up and snuggle with him while the sleep gets out of his eyes and he can get crackin on getting dressed. Then after we walk him to school we come home and work at our business. Unless there is a field trip or an event at school we do this until it’s time to go pick him up. We get to do that together also. Then we work some more, wrestle with getting homework done and then sit down and have some dinner together where our tradition is to tell the best thing about our day. My partner and I then of course do rock paper scissors to see who does the dishes and the evening wraps down with us reading (right now it’s phantom of the opera, last week it was Tom Sawyer) to him. We give back to the community with both time and money and have filed and paid our taxes every single year without fail.

    So as you can clearly see, I’m really trying to figure out the “gay agenda” and possibly you can help with that.


  73. lahona said,

    October 21, 2008 at 1:02 pm

    Sharon, I do see your side of the argument. I agree that persicution of homosexuals is wrong. Under California state law, Homosexuals do have equal rights to those with a married status. So to me this is not about equal rights. The gay community has them. However, I feel that seeking to redefine marriage as to include same sex couples, opens a door that will lead to suppression of religion, indoctrination of our children and the devaluation of the institute of marriage. To those who support prop 8, marriage is something sacred and special and has always been between a man and a woman. We would like to keep it that way because we believe that this is how God intended it to be. I don’t want to step on your rights and it is not my intention to do so, but I don’t want my rights to be steped on either. If any inequality in the law exists, then has to be another avenue to remedy the situation. But to change the definition of marriage is not the way to do it.
    You may argue that your intention is not to infringe on our right to practice our religion or to indocrinate our children, but it is the intent of many of the organizations that are supporting the no on 8 movment. We see these things happening in states who have passed gay marriage laws. We see these things starting to happen here. I know many gay people and they are my friends and there are some who I am very close to. The last thing that I want to do is to harm them. But I cannot sacrifice my family and religion either. As i said earlier, if any inequality under the law exists, there are other avenues that can be explored without changing the definition of marriage.

  74. lahona said,

    October 21, 2008 at 1:08 pm

    Sharron i was responding to your earlier comment, looks like we were writing at the same time. the agenda that you asked about is on this blog under Beatle briliance called “activist agenda” This may not be your agenda, but you must understand that when things like this come out, it causes us great alarm.

  75. beetlebabee said,

    October 21, 2008 at 1:55 pm

    Concerned Parent, Now is the time to say enough is enough. If we don’t say it now, the time will come when it will be too late to say.

  76. Sharon said,

    October 21, 2008 at 2:17 pm

    Based on this everyone has an agenda. What about the Christian agenda? It seems to me that unless we all get in line and accept and choose to believe in the same interpretation as “God” as you do then literally to hell with us. Those with that agenda need to remember that God didn’t open up the skies and hand down the bible. It was written and interrupted by men. We complain when our children’s school books are 5 yrs old but hold true to the things we pick and choose from a book that is thousands of years old. The God I believe in really is the end all be all. Then Yin and the Yang and because of this he doesn’t need anything from me and offers total and complete love and acceptance. He doesn’t need me to love a certain someone, pray a certain way or even pray at all.

    We now in a society where religion is coming at us instead of from us. I recognize that many people feel we have failed religion and that is the cause of many of our problems, but let’s look at that. Organized religion has been around for thousands of years and has touch many people but in our collective society it has changed little. As a group we are still faced with the problems that have always faced us. The problems of greed, envy, anger righteousness, inequity, violence and war. Most religions have not lead us away from these problems but more fuller into them and in some cases even justified them even by their own example. Religion was meant to bring us closer to God creating a sense of communion with the Devine. Yet many organized religions have not done that. They have touched some lives this way but our collective society experiences not communion but estrangement. Not unity with God but separation. In some cases it is actually organized religion that teaches separation from God.

    Religion was hoped to bring people closer together by using a sense of community and integration yet many organized religions have not done that. In fact at times it is organized religion itself that teaches against community and integration claiming that God never intended people of different races, backgrounds and such to co-mingle.

    It was hoped that religion would bring peace and joy but in too many cases it has not done so yet no other organization has done more to prevent this than organized religion. We all the time what me must and must not say, what we must and must not wear, what we must and must not eat, must and must not think, must and must not enjoy. In fact that which some of us very much enjoy is condemned by organized religion. Dancing and music it bad, money is bad, in some cases even being seen is bad. Cover yourself, hide yourself, be ashamed of yourself for you are born a sinner and will always be a sinner. But this is not the real message from God. The real message is love, joy, unity, unconditional love and acceptance.

    There have been so many wars and deaths in the name of “God” whether it is the 200 years Christian crusade or someone walking into a room strapped with a bomb saying “Ala is great”. Organized religions have solved nothing, and in fact have escalated the real issues that face us today. This has with sadness overshadowed the good that organized religion has done.

    I mean don’t you find it ironic that the people who listen to the readings of organized religion appear to be the ones who are the most angry, abusing, intolerant and have less peace?

  77. beetlebabee said,

    October 21, 2008 at 2:47 pm

    I think we agree on most things Sharon. God is good, loving, caring. He’s the source of good in the world. I don’t agree with you much further than that though. We can agree to disagree.

  78. lahona said,

    October 21, 2008 at 2:55 pm

    Sharon im a little supprised to see this from you. You have a very cynical and inacurate view of religion. It is true that there have been many wrongs done in the name of religion, but don’t hold us responsible for thier actions or use it as an excuse to disregard our point of view. God does not accept everything. It is true that he loves us all unconditionaly. But he cannot tolerate sin. That is why he asks us to change and repent, to better ourselves and to leave sin behind. Those who hold true to thier religions for the most part live quiet, peacefull, happy lives.

  79. jonx2 said,

    October 21, 2008 at 4:01 pm

    Celeste: Let’s clear something up here. You can’t choose the color of your skin but you can choose what you do with your passions no matter how strong they are. The mindset of being powerless against our passions will continue to erode our civil society until it dies in a heap viral stench. Comparing this to the justified civil rights movement is comparing apples to oranges. Secondly, if you don’t understand the scriptures quit trying to preach from them. God’s command to multiply and replenish the earth cannot be accomplished between two females or two males (naturally).
    The Apostle Paul said: 1 Cor 11:11 Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord.
    The Great Jehovah said: Gen 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
    Both old and new testament scriptures… what more does one need to understand the will of God in these matters.

  80. Sharon said,

    October 21, 2008 at 4:09 pm

    I don’t think it’s a cynical view at all. I have great joy in my spiritual connection with God and it brings me much happiness. My views are simply based on what things I have seen, heard and experienced done to and against people in the name of religion. Do I lump everyone into this, no. Do I think I am right and others are wrong? No. In fact I don’t believe in right or wrong, but rather I believe in what works and what doesn’t work. It seems to me that we’ve gotten away from that and are now focused on what is morally correct or morally incorrect. In my opinion it is the focus on morals that have gotten into trouble. Because whose morals to we set the standard to? Again, I believe in determining what works and what doesn’t work. Say for instance if I were driving up to Seattle to visit my folks and I got on 5 south I wouldn’t be morally wrong, my action simply wouldn’t work towards achieving my goals. It’s the same in life. If our goal is to have a peaceful and prosperous society that fosters success and self esteem then again we have to ask are my actions working to achieve that goal? If the answer is no, then it’s time to make an adjustment.

  81. jonx2 said,

    October 21, 2008 at 4:21 pm

    The message to the schools is clear… proposition 8 fails, say goodbye to the funding you would get for my children. This would motivate me if I were a teacher no matter where on stood on the issue.
    “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”
    John Adams

  82. lahona said,

    October 21, 2008 at 5:09 pm

    Good quote Jonx2

  83. October 21, 2008 at 5:10 pm

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  84. Sharon said,

    October 21, 2008 at 5:38 pm

    Wow Jonx2, thank you for proving my point.

  85. jonx2 said,

    October 21, 2008 at 6:26 pm

    Explain yourself sharon.
    Without a standard there is chaos. If I ask you to give me 5 inches of rope but you didn’t have a ruler you would have to guess how much to give me. That is exactly the state your life is in right now. Your guessing on everything. You have convinced yourself that there is no standard because it is the only way your psyche (in other words your spiritual self) can deal with it. I pray at some point you find the true and living God and live life according to His standard instead of what feels right with the current urge. Hopefully you do this before you wreak too much havoc on other peoples lives. Bottom line here is what is right for the children. See the following article to educate yourself.

  86. Jeannie said,

    October 21, 2008 at 10:55 pm

    I am a teacher and I so very strongly support prop 8 …. and I’m disgusted at CTA’s donation to the no cause … but pulling kids out of school is just not the way to get a message to them. Write a letter instead. Thanks to those who posted the address and sample letter on here!

  87. jonx2 said,

    October 22, 2008 at 8:52 am

    I will be sending the letter to all my children’s teachers and there’s an email from me in Sanchez’s inbox as we speak.
    Jeannie: I hope you and your like minded peers are submitting the form to get your money back and then giving it to protectmarraige. That would be the strongest message of all. I’m so glad there are teachers like you in the system. It gives me hope.

  88. Jeffhardoin said,

    October 22, 2008 at 9:19 am


    I think you’re missing the point. First of all, our Constitution does not contain the words separation of church and state. It’s certainly implied and it should be that way. Our country was still founded on the premise of freedom of religion. That’s why settlers to this great land of ours came here. So they could practice their religion they way they wanted to. They were doing what they thought was right.

    The state has no business defining marriage at all. The right to marry should be taken out of the hands of the government. If one church wants to marry gays and another church doesn’t believe in it, then it should be up to the church. That’s separatation of church and state. And yes, it does affect churches! It doesn’t matter whose church. Prop. 8 is a PROPOSED CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT. Legalizing gay marriage would place clergy and churches at risk for lawsuits or threatens the tax- exempt status of religious institutions. If a gay coupled wanted to get married in my church and my church were to refuse because we do not believe in gay marriage, my church would be open to a lawsuit. If JoAnne’s flower shop down the street refuses to provide services for a gay wedding, JoAnn could be sued. All because of “discrimination”. That doesn’t take into account my beliefs. In fact, that takes away my rights to believe in what I want to believe in. Where’s the equality in that?

    If gays are not given certain rights as far as riding in the ambulance, then change that by going after the ambulance workers or the healthcare industry. If insurance companies won’t cover your life partner, make the insurance companies change their policies!

    Let marriage be the choice of each and every church. The government has no business in marriage!

  89. theleinwebers said,

    October 22, 2008 at 5:26 pm

    I wanted to post a comment regarding the “sick out”. I met with the President of our district’s Teachers Association to see if he felt like the Teachers needed our (the parents) support in expressing their disapproval of the CTA donation. He was planning on speaking with the Teachers and getting back to me to let me know if he thought this type of action would be helpful for them.

    I know we all want to do what is best to protect our families and support our Teachers.

  90. interested party said,

    October 23, 2008 at 5:10 am

    Here’s what’s happening in MA now that gay marriage is approved. http://www.protectmarriage.com/video/view/6
    There are few of us who feel that people who care about each other shouldn’t be able to legally be involved in that life, Our schools do not force my religious beliefs on the students, why should the gay’s be forced on mine?

  91. interested party said,

    October 23, 2008 at 6:48 am

    Dear Mr Sanchez,
    It has been brought to my attention that you paid $1 million to a political issue – using valuable money that could have benefitted the people you are supposed to be supporting. What a shame. What a disgrace. How could you be so wasteful of resources that could have helped the teachers and in turn helped the children? The issue at hand does not warrant such reckless misappropriation of funds entrusted to your care. Shame on you. It’s almost criminal.

  92. beetlebabee said,

    October 23, 2008 at 9:18 am

    San Diego Public School Board and Teachers Oppose the CTA and State Board of Education

    This info from http://www.protectmarriage.com

  93. October 23, 2008 at 8:00 pm

    I sincerely hope PROP 8 fails miserably.

    BUT – if it DOES passes, are my fellow LGBTI Americans prepared to spend another ba-zillion dollars on PR and possibly wait 20-30 years to “win” equality in CA?

    AND – if it does NOT pass, which state will we focus on next so we can spend another ba-zillion dollars to purchase civil rights?

    I know I am virtually alone here (except for Charles Merrill and his partner), but I think all of you are insane.

    Because if ALL of us truly believed we WERE equal, we would not be so patient as tax-payers and U.S. citizens. We’d simply KNOW we ARE equal, and refuse to pay into a system that not only denies our familes civil marriage but doesn’t even acknowledge our existence (wait for the 2010 census).

    I’m 43, and I will NOT wait until I’m 73 for fair and equal treatment. It’s OK for the country at large to be ignorant, bigoted, mid-guided, and mid-informed. But that’s not my fault. So until people GROW UP and show my family the same “civil” respect heterosexually-identified families are given, I owe this country and the IRS nothing.

    How many times do I need to say this?


  94. jonx2 said,

    October 24, 2008 at 8:01 am

    johnbesceglia: refer to my comment #84. This doesn’t qualify for a civil right. You can CHOOSE to control your passion. This is definitely not on the level of the Boston Tea Party either. Tell me john. Where do we draw the line on this deviancy? There are groups mobilizing as we speak using the same arguments you are using to get your “rights”. The man-boy-love movement of child abusers are going to want there rights. Hey they’re born that way they can’t help it. Then you have the animal “lovers” who get there kicks with animals. What about there “rights”? The line has to be drawn somewhere so why don’t we draw it where God draws it (and nature for that matter).

  95. nrl4prop8 said,

    October 29, 2008 at 7:13 am

    Thanks for all of the work you do in support of Prop 8. I really like the blog post regarding the 20 reasons for voting for Prop 8. You included a tremendous amount of information and facts. Keep up the good work.
    YES on Prop 8

  96. Elaina said,

    October 30, 2008 at 12:43 am

    How many of you supporters actually have kids in a Bay Area school district? And how many of you remember signing (or not signing) permission slips for just about every step your kid takes from her desk? Gay marriage isn’t going to change your parental rights in the least. You’ll still get to pick and choose your sheltered tot’s life experiences until everything is nicely pruned.
    And for those of you so worried that your marriage is somehow soiled now that Frisco’s done the deed, maybe you should stop comparing yourselves to other couples. That’s what is really making your relationships suffer.

  97. beetlebabee said,

    October 30, 2008 at 12:56 am

    Elaina, love the name. This fight is about a lot of things. If you’re from the Bay Area, I’m surprised you haven’t heard of the Hayward incident at Faith Ringgold School of Art and Science. The things that fester in SF don’t stay in SF. The parents there weren’t given any notice about their Kindergartners being exposed to gay topics, and there was no option to opt out. The opposition to prop 8 told us we’d always be able to opt out. Yet here that right was taken away. It’s time to take a stand now for traditional moral values. Enough degeneracy. Our kids deserve better.

    Hayward Ca Kindergarten “Coming Out” Day

  98. beetlebabee said,

    November 3, 2008 at 10:53 pm

    I am speechless. Vandalism by our own school administrators caught on camera! Is there anyone who doesn’t believe there is a political motivation here in the schools? These are the people we’re trusting to teach our children tolerance in an unbiased way? No Way.


  99. beetlebabee said,

    November 17, 2008 at 5:22 pm

    They did it again. The CTA stepped in it this time, insulting a highschool girl for daring to write a letter critical of their donation to fight proposition 8. Board members replied, “It’s none of your business.”


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