Hooray for the Baptists!


And Now….The Rest of the Story

Yesterday I reported on some extreme behavior by our Conejo Valley Unified School District Administrators, when they destroyed one resident’s proposition 8 sign that they felt was too close to school property. (see thread here for part I)

Well, here’s how it turned out yesterday.  After the Administration thugs were through stomping the sign into the ground, they hurled it over the fence of the people who put it up, and it stayed there most of the day.

Our friend Tim Cooley heard about what had happened to the sign and saw the police and everything–well, he got to work with some of his contacts to find a new home for the sign.  He called up Pastor Wilson of the First Baptist Church here in town and they chatted about the sign dilemma.  Pastor Wilson and his congregation have been collaborating with all the churches in the area on proposition 8 and were thrilled and honored to be the custodians of the big sign.  They provided a space for it immediately.  They’d already lost four large signs to the opposition’s thieves and vandals, and currently didn’t have a Yes on 8 sign.

The interesting thing is that Baptists are extremely wary of Mormons.  They don’t traditionally get along.  Tim Cooley was the Bishop of the local LDS (Mormon) congregation a few years ago, so he and Pastor Wilson had some interactions over the years, that could have been better.   So even though the builders of the sign were Mormon,  Tim Cooley is Mormon, and Pastor Wilson is a Baptist, today it didn’t matter.

Tim, Daryl and some other guys got the sign out, fixed it up, replaced the smashed bulbs and wiring, got it all ready to go and installed it right in front of the Baptist Church which stands on a hillside overlooking Erbes and La Granada.  While they were putting the big sign together, they had more conversations with the Baptists and were able to clear up some of the misconceptions that were out there.  Funny that for being so geographically close, the two churches knew so little about each other.  They found quite a bit of common ground.

Pastor Wilson and Assistant Pastor Dean actually invited Tim to their special prayer meeting tonight and invited him to pray and speak a bit about prop 8 and the efforts being made.  Tim said it was a unique and wonderful experience, that they opened their place of worship and invited him in with open arms, with AMEN!  and Yeah Brother!

All the while they were praying and meeting, outside you could hear the raucous noise of cheering and honking horns as cars streamed past the giant sign.  Yes on 8!!

The thing that is wonderful to me is the strength of this collaboration between the churches of California.  Here we are, finding out who our friends really are, and who our enemies really are.  This is our common ground, standing up for each other, and supporting each other against the opposition.  What a blessing it is to stand with our Christian brothers and sisters, in all their denominational flavors. This proposition is so important to all of us.  What a blessing it has been to finally find that common ground in such a great cause that can bring such polar opposites together.  The Lord works in mysterious ways…..

Hooray for the Baptists!  and thanks to Tim Cooley for “the rest of the story.”


Tim Cooley (left) and members of the First Baptist Church "Yes on 8 Coalition" working together to protect the family Nov. 2008



  1. Christina said,

    November 4, 2008 at 9:37 am

    There must be opposition in all things. So when something as wild as having to defend traditional marriage comes up, there will be equal good that can come from it. We just have to open our eyes. Thank you for all you have done in Southern CA for Prop 8. Thank you for uniting and making such amazing efforts!

    With much love and admiration,


  2. prop8discussion said,

    November 4, 2008 at 10:28 am

    go baptists!

  3. ivoteyesonprop8 said,

    November 4, 2008 at 3:04 pm

    I love this story!! Thanks for sharing and posting the update. Amazing things have happened in our efforts to get prop 8 passed! I feel blessed to have been a part of it all.

  4. November 4, 2008 at 3:07 pm

    […] together in their efforts to protect traditional marriage! Read the conclusion of the sign saga here on beetlebee’s […]

  5. Leslie said,

    November 4, 2008 at 10:22 pm

    Thank you Tim, for your tenacious dedication, and thank you Pastors Wilson and Dean for opening your hearts and parking lot! The sign is really beautiful – and the location is perfect. It reminds me of the nativity the Baptist church puts up every year.

  6. November 5, 2008 at 8:17 am

    […] go here for the rest of the […]

  7. kj said,

    November 5, 2008 at 8:48 am

    Thank you for this post! After all the negative feedback during this battle, a victory as sweet as this one is a sweet and welcome relief. Unifying and bridging our gaps is the key to success on matters such as this, and I am sure this story is one of many proving this.

  8. Alix said,

    November 5, 2008 at 10:18 am

    ” I don’t know why social equity for all is actually a bad thing.
    Marriage shouldn’t reflect religious values, not at a state level.

    If a woman marries a man and the next day he dies, she would be entitled to all his possessions (if he had no will) without question. However, if a loving, dedicated same sex couple were together five, ten, twenty years, and one partner dies–there would be no law in place to ensure the remaining estate was properly distributed.
    There are about 200 legal protections provided by marriage. Same sex couples deserve them just as much.
    And you think your God approves of your bigotry. You contort Bible passages to your benefit. You don’t let love shine from a place of God. You are sad, all of you.

  9. beetlebabee said,

    November 5, 2008 at 10:31 am

    Alix, I think all of these issues were addressed prior to the election, and though the election is coming to a close, a lot of those issues and differences will still remain. While I feel empathy for the other side and what this decision means for them, I am very happy that p8 passed because I believe it is a better path for society. I know there are many, 47% in fact, who don’t agree. At this point, we’ll have to agree to disagree.

  10. beetlebabee said,

    November 5, 2008 at 3:47 pm

    Some friends of ours and I have been sitting around sharing the “war stories” of prop 8 that just made the whole thing awesome, I want to make a collection of the kinds of things we’ll tell our grandkids about. The “Speechless” story is definitely one of them, I love the Baptist ending, it was just perfect. Here’s another:

    So a group of 200-300 of us p8’ers were gathered on the corners of Thousand Oaks doing one of these awesome rallies, jumping, waving and cheering, with all the honking and excitement that goes with these rallies when this lady pulls up and writes out a hundred dollar check, right there on the spot and hands it to my friend Michelle who was helping to organize the whole thing. “I know it’s late, but I was just driving through and looking at both sides of the issue..” (the no’s were on the other side of the street, in all their black and drag with earrings and dour looks and we were all happy and smiling with our kids and yellow shirts) and she said “so I just want you to know how great this all is and here take my donation! I’m voting YES!” handed the check out the window and drove away again.

    That was awesome.

  11. beetlebabee said,

    November 5, 2008 at 3:49 pm

    ok, here’s one: We were at this same rally, out in front of Ralph’s Supermarket when this man and his son walk up, they’d just finished shopping, and said, “Hey, can we join you?” Sure! We handed him our signs and went and picked up two more. They were just awesome people off the street swept up in the joy of the moment!

  12. beetlebabee said,

    November 5, 2008 at 4:15 pm

    Ok, here’s the story of the bus girl: We were having a wave party at Janss and the freeway onramp, waving, smiling, doing our thing, when the TO bus comes by. Someone yelled, THERE’S the BUS! Wave to the bus! So we all waved to the bus. One girl got off at the bus stop and walked over to us. She said how she was so offended at what we were doing, and some other things to one of the moms with us. This mother told her how much she appreciated her point of view, and understood that it was a delicate issue, but that for her, it was all about her kids and her family and protecting them from the stuff the schools would have to teach if prop 8 didn’t pass. The girl was surprised and said “Schools?” Yes, and the mom handed her a pamphlet from a box behind the biggest sign. The girl stood behind our sign and read the whole thing top to bottom for several minutes. Then she came over and said, “Oh, I didn’t even know it was like that. Can I wave too? Do you have an extra sign?

    So she waved right out in front with me until her next bus came. That was pretty amazing.

  13. November 6, 2008 at 10:22 am

    […] Tim Cooley, who arrived shortly after the destruction began, reported that he saw the school officials throw the sign face down onto the lightbulbs.  They then walked on it to break the bulbs further.  Darryl reports that the lightbulbs were smashed, and wires ripped out, and the plywood backing was crushed.  Officials then ripped out the extension cords and took them to prevent the sign from being erected in a new place.  Tim and Darryl as well as the other witnesses on hand called police who made a report.  The police went and spoke with the school officials about the vandalism and were shown a recent property map that they claim proves their ownership.  Police asked for the stolen property and were able to return the cords to the proper owners.  Charges have not been pressed by the owners who say that though the administration officials were outrageously in the wrong, they would rather spend their efforts, time and means in the passage of proposition 8.  Similar stories of vandalism and destruction have been heard all across the state.  Both Tim and Darryl say that the best possible ending to the story is not in legal action and focusing on the negative actions of the school, but in focusing on the good.  The First Baptist church welcomed the rebuilt sign and that in itself was quite a victory.  See the rebuilt sign and the rest of the story here:  https://beetlebabee.wordpress.com/2008/11/04/hooray-for-the-baptists/ […]

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