On Prop 8–Who Owns the Hate?

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Religious Hate Turns to Vandalism

Rage and Intolerance Against the LDS Church Continues

KFBK in Sacramento is reporting that A Mormon church in Orangevale has become the target of vandals apparently upset over the passing of Proposition 8.  At around 1:40 p.m. Friday, vandals spray painted “No on Prop 8″ onto the outside of the church located at 7950 Hazel Avenue.

Vandals Target Mormon Church In Orangevale

ORANGEVALE (CBS13) ― A Mormon church in Orangevale has become the target of vandals apparently upset over the passing of Proposition 8.

At around 1:40 p.m. Friday, vandals spray painted “No on Prop 8″ onto the outside of the church located at 7950 Hazel Avenue, according to LDS church officials.

The church issued the following statement in regards to the vandalism:

“It is evident that the election results for the constitutional marriage amendment will not mean an end to the debate over same-sex marriage in this state, or our country. Such an emotionally charged issue concerning the most personal and cherished aspects of life – family, identity, intimacy and equality – stirs fervent and deep feelings. We hope that now and in the future all parties involved in this issue will act in a spirit of mutual respect and civility toward those with a different position.  No one on either side of the question should be vilified or intimidated and we would ask that private property and our sacred chapels be respected.”

Rioters Graffiti LDS Temple

Prop. 8 Protesters Besiege L.A. Mormon Temple

By Kathleen Gilbert

LOS ANGELES, November 7, 2008 (LifeSiteNews.com) – Same-sex “marriage” supporters took to the streets of LA Thursday and swarmed around the gates of the Mormon Temple in Westwood, where they waved signs and shouted threats at the church establishment for its role in the success of Proposition 8, the true marriage ballot initiative.

Hundreds of protesters, bearings signs with such messages as “Don’t teach hate!” and “Mormons have 10 wives – I can’t have one?” chanted in front of the temple and scrawled graffiti on its gates.

“Tax the Mormon Church!” one protester chanted.  “How dare they legislate against love!” another shouted to an AP camera.

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What the protesters do not and cannot understand is that the churches stance on this issue is unequivocal, and will never ever change. Many of the blogs are suggesting that protest, and public opinion will cause the Church to eventually lift the sanctions on homosexuality, and change Church policy. Not only is the intolerance remarkably hypocritical, but the semi-terrorist activities,  harassment, and active trespassing & vandalism revealing the true colors of the protesters.

The following information is from a letter I received.  The account was originally posted here:

Dear Friends,

It’s getting ugly in LA.  Hopefully it will die down in a few days, but for now it’s ugly.  I received the following from a good friend who just got back from the LA temple grounds:

I was there…crazy…after i asked a cop if i could take down the mean signs…and he said he wouldn’t stop me….i  went about tearing signs down off the temple fence and got harassed for it…and two people tried to grab them out of my hands …they kept blocking my path…trying to get me to stop pulling their hate posters down….one even physically put their hand on me to stop me…i finally dropped the signs and walked away….. they also put graffiti on the outside temple fence walls…they wouldn’t let people drive out of the temple parking lot….they yelled, waved signs….flipped off the temple….sat in the middle of the road and wouldn’t let cars go by…..i can’t believe this!!!  it started at 2 pm today…i didn’t get there til about 7 pm…but when i left around 11 pm… they were still going….a fight broke out between a Tongan girl and a no on prop 8 person…then the Tongan Mormons jumped in to protect her…..a girl got her nose bashed it….unfortunately i missed this part because i was running around the other side of the temple looking for my friend….after the people wouldn’t leave me alone….no worries…I’m home safe….please pray for these people..they need help! sorry for all the rambles…just a little fired up…

Please pray for the members in California, and for the temples there.  Threats are being made against both.

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17 Comments

  1. November 7, 2008 at 11:28 pm

    How sad.

    The protestors look “spoiled.”

  2. November 7, 2008 at 11:29 pm

    One wonders, why didn’t they march on Black Churches whose members seem to overwhelmingly support Prop8?

  3. prop8discussion said,

    November 7, 2008 at 11:42 pm

    It’s interesting that if anyone had promoted Prop with any thing like “Gays go to Hell” that there would have been craziness from across the country. If prop 8 supporters had stood outside of same-gender couples’ houses and protested with any kind of sign– there would have been hell to pay.

    …the reason this didn’t happen is because the majority of people truly have nothing against gay people. in fact, they don’t really care. and they don’t have intention of judging them or telling them to go to hell.
    they just don’t care.

    but because they do care about traditional marriage– they are told they are bigots, intolerant, liars, homophobes etc.

    …the two contrasting displays of belief reveal the groups true intentions.

  4. beetlebabee said,

    November 7, 2008 at 11:43 pm

    Exactly. It’s ok to hate Mormons in this society. If they’d marched on the blacks, they would have lost all sympathy. Imagine those epithets with the word “Jew” in them and it changes everything. Somehow people of the LDS faith are fair game. Go ahead and spit, throw, trash, deface, yell, flip, curse, gnash. They’re only friends, neighbors, mothers and fathers. If the gay movement wants sympathy, this is not getting it.

    Isn’t the contrast stark between supporter’s prop 8 rallies and these protests? We even picked up our litter after we were done. These guys have no respect for anyone or anything but themselves and it shows.

  5. prop8discussion said,

    November 7, 2008 at 11:46 pm

    p.s. beetle, i’m copying your pictures. i’ve been trying to find some all day. they don’t show pictures like this in the news.

  6. beetlebabee said,

    November 8, 2008 at 12:11 am

    BOYCOTT UTAH FOR CALIFORNIA’S CHOICE

    huh?

    SALT LAKE CITY — Utah’s growing tourism industry and the star-studded Sundance Film Festival are being targeted for a boycott by bloggers, gay rights activists and others seeking to punish the Mormon church for its aggressive promotion of California’s ban on gay marriage.

    “At a fundamental level, the Utah Mormons crossed the line on this one,” said gay rights activist John Aravosis, an influential blogger in Washington, D.C.

    “They just took marriage away from 20,000 couples and made their children bastards,” he said. “You don’t do that and get away with it.”

    Church spokeswoman Kim Farah said in a statement about the temple protests Friday that it is “disturbing” that the church is being singled out for exercising its right to speak up in a free election.

    “While those who disagree with our position on Proposition 8 have the right to make their feelings known, it is wrong to target the Church and its sacred places of worship for being part of the democratic process,” Farah said.

    The church had said in a statement after Tuesday’s vote that “no one on any side of the question should be vilified, intimidated, harassed or subject to erroneous information.”

    Aravosis is not calling for a boycott of California, though that state’s voters actually approved the ban.

    “At this point, the Californians are the victims and the Mormons are the persecutors,” he said. “We had won this until they swept in … We need to send a message to Utah that they need to stop trying to inflict their way of life on every other state.”

  7. beetlebabee said,

    November 8, 2008 at 9:57 am

    Letter From NOM on Rage Against LDS Supporters:
    Dear XXXXX

    Gay marriage advocates, having overturned the results of one election, are now on the warpath against Prop 8 and its supporters.

    The three lawsuits they filed this week are frivolous and far fetched according to the best legal minds (including Daniel Lowenstein of UCLA Law School, an election code expert).

    Rather than graciously accept the will of the people, or come back through the democratic process with their own amendment, No on Prop 8 activists are taking to the streets, and in the process targeting a small faith community for vicious public attacks. It’s “payback time” from the voices of tolerance.

    No powerful political or media figure who supports gay marriage yet has the decency to stand up and say: enough. No more of this, please. This is not the way a civil rights movement–or any decent American of any political party or ideology–behaves.

    What can we do to express our thanks and solidarity with the many Californians who happen to members of the LDS Church?

    Here’s what one San Diego Catholic, who was involved in NOM’s efforts from the very beginning suggested:

    “My husband’s idea of personally show thanks to Mormons for their sacrifices seems to be catching on in his Knight’s Council. We’re having 3 families over for burgers on the grill. How simple basic is that, but seems to be genuinely appreciated.”

    A solidarity barbecue. How very much in the best American tradition.

    What can you do today? To NOM’s LDS friends and supporters we just say: Thank you. You’ve done enough already.

    The rest of us friends of marriage? Whether you are a Protestant or a Catholic, or a Jew, (or a Hindu or a Muslim, or a determined secularist): Thank a Mormon today.

    Or take the next step: Invite an LDS friend, colleague to lunch. Host a barbecue–to tell them “Thank you for your efforts to protect marriage. Thank you for your unfailing decency, civility, and respect for others in the community as you exercise your basic civil rights as Americans to participate in political debate. We’re so sorry for what your community is going through. We’ll stand by you, now and in the future, as fellow citizens, friends and neighbors.”

    And write back to me to tell me about it, please!

    This is the decent, loving, faithful America we know and love and will not, with God’s help, lose.

    God’s blessing on you and your family,

    Brian Brown

    Brian S. Brown
    Executive Director
    National Organization for Marriage
    20 Nassau Street, Suite 242
    Princeton, NJ 08542

  8. Sarah & Tim said,

    November 10, 2008 at 7:26 pm

    Wow. It’s really disturbing to see all the protesters outside the temple. When we attended the temple here in Utah this weekend, I thought of the protests that have been happening in California and was grateful for the peaceful temple grounds. Way to go for the Church standing up for the family. It’s hard to understand because common law couples already have all the same rights that married couples do by law. My blog has been getting a lot of comments about this as well:
    http://sarahandtim.wordpress.com/2008/10/30/protest-at-the-templ/

  9. lahona said,

    November 11, 2008 at 4:57 pm

    What is wrong with a person standing up for what they believe in? So members of the LDS church led the way in passing prop 8. It was their right to do so. It is unfair to target the LDS church because they stood up for what they believed to be right. Now I recognize that you disagree that the passing of prop 8 was the right thing. But the majority of Californians believed it to be, that’s why it passed. No one should be persecuted for participating in the democratic process.

  10. lahona said,

    November 11, 2008 at 9:38 pm

    Gary, It is not our intention to discriminate or hate those with homosexual tendencies. We dont look down on them as lesser people in any way. That is not our motivation. Our motivation is to protect an institution that we hold sacred and dear from what we believe is a sinfull practice.

    Questioningthecause, I am sorry that you feel like the LDS church hates homosexuals. But if you look into what the church teaches, and statements made by church officials, and the attitude of members in general, you will see that this is simply not the case. LDS members are taught to reach out to those with homosexual tendencies with love, support and respect. But the church does not condone homosexuality. It is a case of hate the sin not the sinner. Hate had no place in the LDS churches support of prop 8. I wish the gay community would take the time to realize that.

  11. Tom said,

    November 11, 2008 at 11:25 pm

    I have read hundreds of comments, both for and against Prop 8, and I continue to be amazed at the intolerance, bigotry and hate directed at those who disagree with same-sex marriage by those same people who are claiming to be targets of such acts. What hypocrasy! One of my very best friends left his wife of 20 years and children just over 2 years ago to move in with his same-sex partner. I was torn up over the event and could not have been sadder for all involved, but to this day, he is still one of my very best friends with whom I have regular contact with via phone calls and lunches and I love him like a brother and would do anything for him. So when hear that I hate gays and don’t want them to be happy because I voted for Prop 8, I can only shake my head at the ignorance of those yelling hateful messages and defacing others’ property at every opportunity they get.
    I often wonder why those who support same-sex marriage, claiming that it is their constitutional right, are not just livid over the fact that a measure like this (that followed the constitutional process) was already passed in 2000 and later over turned by FOUR, non-elected, elitest judges who decided that they could now make laws instead of applying them. They over look that part of this whole proposition because the judges ruling went in their favor, will they be that silent if and when these same judges decide to over turn their vote on some other issue down the road when it is not in their favor?? Probably not. As for this not being taught in the schools…consider this real life example that happened to my son early in the school year. He has a teacher who asked the students to share their best event of their summer. After each student took their turn the teacher then stood and proclaimed that her best day was the day that she was married to her same-sex partner. This same teacher has a wall in her classroom dedicated to “Diversity” with pictures of her and her partner and others related to “Diversity.” Then, a couple of weeks ago when a student came to her class with a “Yes on 8″ (non-mormon even) bumper sticker on his book cover, she made him take it off. Diversity?? Tolerance?? Hate?? Sure, but I’ll let you decide who was what in this real example. Tolerance is clearly one way, because if you don’t agree with the agenda, then one is a spreader of hate and some how becomes a bigot. It is no secret by now of the field trip that a kindergarten class went on to see a same-sex marriage and was deemed by the principal as a learning moment or the father in Mass. who was arrested for trying to pull his child out of a class during the teaching of same-sex relationships. Please do not be naive enough to believe that the teaching of this was not going to be part of the schools as fast as it could be introduced. And if a parent does not want that taught to his or her child, whether it is based on religious convictions or not, it is up to that parent. And if it is based on religious convictions, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that either as this country was founded on freedom of religion, which IS a constitutional right. The number one reason that people fled England and came to the new country was to practice their religion freely. Can you imagine the uproar this country would be in if these so called “tolerant” people who are picketing and defacing the Mormon buildings would be writing the word “Jews” or “blacks” instead of Mormons?? Nobody would stand for that. The time has come and passed for the “tolerant”, “equality for all”, and “love is for everyone” demonstrators to put down their spray cans and begin to practice what they preach. Hate and bigotry had absolutely ZERO to do with the Yes on 8 voters and has apparently become everything to do with the No on 8 supporters, which is very sad as our country continues to polarize to opposite ends of the spectrum.

  12. beetlebabee said,

    November 12, 2008 at 9:54 pm

    This is a note from my dear friend Edie about the day the temple was shut down by the protests and threats:

    I was there that day. We were greeted as we arrived at the gate that day with guards, who asked what our business was at the temple.
    We told them that we were workers arriving to do our shift.They allowed us to enter. We thought that was all of it. Half way through our shift, we were informed we needed to change our cloths and leave the temple. We were told that we believe in honoring and sustaining the law. There were tears in everyone’s eyes, but everyone quietly complied with the request. As we left. I could see people at the bottom of the hill on Santa Monica Blvd., shaking the fence and shouting at us. I did feel however, very safe. I kept thinking of how in the last days we should stand in Holy Places. I felt very safe there. The Temple is definitely a safe refuge. As long as we always comply with our prophets voice, we will be safe in our Heavenly Fathers arms. What ever the outcome. We all stood for the right. We should be proud. Edie XXXXXXXX

  13. Nikolai said,

    November 13, 2008 at 10:46 am

    Got the link to your blog from a friend of mine…I am appalled at the amount of hate that is coming from these protesters, and these are the ones claiming to be full of love and tolerance for all mankind. Mormons are some of the nicest people I know, and now they’re being the scapegoat.

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