P8 a Major Change?–Supremes to Decide


CA Supreme Court May Rule on Prop. 8 This Week

In calling for the Supreme Court to take original jurisdiction of three challenges to Proposition 8, the attorney for the five official proponents of the measure and the ProtectMarriage.com- Yes on Proposition 8 campaign, Andrew Pugno, said in legal papers, “The people of California are entitled to a prompt resolution of whether Proposition 8 properly amended their Constitution. Proposition 8 was the subject of a vigorous and expensive campaign that generated an intense debate and very strong feelings on both sides. The people have a right to know as quickly as possible the status and definition of marriage under the California Constitution.”gaymarriageisourright

A ruling from the California Supreme Court on the constitutional legality of Proposition 8 could come as soon as this week, according to court spokeswoman Lynn Holton. The ruling would be a response to three lawsuits filed immediately after Prop 8. passed one week ago today that argue that the ballot initiative process was followed improperly. The court overruled an earlier Proposition, Prop. 22 in May that defined marriage as between a man and a woman, but as the Washington Post reports this morning:

“Legal experts say this time the proposition would not be as easy to overturn. Unlike Proposition 22, which in 2000 created a statute that was trumped by the state constitution, Proposition 8 is part of the constitution.

In other words, whereas Proposition 22 was found to violate the equal protection clause of the state constitution, Proposition 8 is now part of the equal protection law of the constitution.

“In passing Prop 8, the people of California basically put an asterisk next to the equal protection clause in the constitution,” said William Araiza, a professor at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles. Now, he said, “it fundamentally comes down to whether the court considers this a major change or not a major change.”

Specifically, opponents of Proposition 8 argue that this kind of change is a “revision,” not an “amendment.” The distinction is important, legal experts say, because revisions require two-thirds approval in the legislature and then a popular vote. Amendments can be approved by popular vote only.”

While legal experts feel that the likelihood of the Supreme Court overruling Prop 8. is slim to none, a growing chorus of California politicians are pushing for the court to invalidate the measure. Governor Schwarzenneger told CNN “I think that we will again maybe undo that, if the court is willing to do that, and then move forward from there and again lead in that area.  More than one-third of the state legislature has signed a friend of the court brief arguing that “the gay marriage ban improperly usurped the state Supreme Court’s duty to protect minority groups from discrimination.”

Hostile Prop 8 Opponent Jerry Brown Can’t Be Trusted to Support Will of the People

The Campaign for California Families, a group that supported Prop. 8 is asking to be named as a party to the suit over concerns that the Attorney General will not properly represent the will of the voters.


Seeking to intervene as Real Parties in Interest in the three lawsuits, the official proponents of the measure argued in court papers that their fundamental rights as initiative proponents are at stake. As official proponents, the five authors of Proposition 8 have a unique legal position that requires legal representation separate from that provided voters by Attorney General Jerry Brown. The petitioners note that Brown has vigorously opposed Proposition 8 and cannot be counted on to vigorously defend the measure. Additionally, the proponents noted in their filing that Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger similarly cannot be counted on to defend the People’s vote since he has already publicly urged the Supreme Court to invalidate Proposition 8. “The whole point of the initiative process is for the people to be able to pass laws despite opposition from government leaders. It just makes no sense that we should have to rely solely on hostile government leaders to defend the will of the people when they opposed the measure in the first place,” Andrew Pugno said.

The cases seeking to invalidate Proposition 8 are Strauss v. Horton, S168047; City and County of San Francisco v. Horton, S168078; and Tyler v. State of California, S168066.

Supporting Articles:

CA Supreme Court May Rule on Prop. 8 This Week

Prop 8 supporters urge CA Supreme Court to hear challenges to measure’s validity



  1. November 18, 2008 at 4:09 pm

    Some of us will respond this way:

    The National Equality Tax Protest – Wednesday, April 15th, 2009.

    Finally, individuals are gathering to TAKE A STAND against persecution from the Mormons & the Christian “Right”. No vote will be needed on this one.

  2. beetlebabee said,

    November 18, 2008 at 4:12 pm

    You can protest by not filing taxes, that’s your choice. I wouldn’t want to get on the wrong side of the IRS though myself.

  3. November 18, 2008 at 4:17 pm

    Well, I will be there with MANY more than just myself. I really do NOT think they will be able to do much when all of our straight allies join our cause.

    The IRS can go to that hot little place below.

  4. lizziejane99 said,

    November 18, 2008 at 5:10 pm

    Well that’s going to be a fun one to watch as it unfolds. I am curious, myself, how the threat of anarchy is going to make the rest of America feel toward the gay community. Good luck with that.

  5. lizziejane99 said,

    November 18, 2008 at 5:14 pm

    Check out this fantastic discourse by Thomas Sowell on the subject of winning.

    “Americans have long had the right to put their candidates and their ideas to a vote. Now there seems to be a sense that your rights have been trampled on if you don’t win.”


  6. lizziejane99 said,

    November 18, 2008 at 5:15 pm

    Oops. :)


    (hopefully this one will be “clickable”)

  7. beetlebabee said,

    November 18, 2008 at 5:20 pm

    John, I think it’s a great idea, gather all the no on 8’s into your cause as quickly as possible. Don’t forget Ellen. Then when you guys are all sitting in the pokey for tax evasion, we’ll be moving on with our lives.

  8. prop8discussion said,

    November 18, 2008 at 6:29 pm

    beetle what do you think about this?

    New Broadway Musical: “Mormon Musical”

    File this under “good timing”: just as the passage Proposition 8 ignited a gays vs. Mormons clash so intense that only David Archuleta can mediate a resolution, word has leaked about the next project from South Park creators Matt Stone and Trey Parker, a Broadway-bound show entitled Mormon Musical. The two have set openly gay Xanadu alum Cheyenne Jackson to star, and Jackson opened up to Pop Wrap about what to expect (besides, obviously, the angel Moroni slathered in gold body glitter):

    “It’s hilarious – very acerbic and biting. It offends everybody but does what ‘South Park’ does best, which is by the end it comes around and has something great to say,” Cheyenne told Pop Wrap.

    “I play the main missionary, Elder something,” he said, straining to recall the name of his character. But the biggest unknown still is who else will be joining the cast. When I asked Cheyenne which other actors would be co-starring, all he would say (through the world’s largest grin) is, “a lot of people – all amazing.” …The show starts rehearsals in December, so expect to see it on the Great White Way sometime in 2009!

  9. beetlebabee said,

    November 18, 2008 at 7:03 pm

    Well, if South Park is any indication…I’ll pass. The best Mormon musical I know is my five year old daughter on the swing. My second favorite would have to be “Wicked.” –but that’s not LDS.

    And of course, the worst musical I’ve ever been to is my sons’ room after a night of Mexican food.

  10. Heather said,

    November 19, 2008 at 2:27 am

    LOL – maybe your son and my brother can get together and form a band ;)

    Maybe “Mormon Musical” will be as big a hit as the movie about the Mountain Meadows Massacre.

    Of course Latter Day Saints are used to persecution.

    Thank you for continuing to post information about this issue. I truly enjoy your blog.

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