Opposition Gearing Up for Battle

by Jef Poskanzer

by Jef Poskanzer

Instead of feeling defeated, gay rights activists in Hawaii say they are energized by a high-profile vote ending same-sex marriage in California.

Advocates energized despite political loss

A new group formed in Hawaii after the passage of Proposition 8 in California says it is focused on passing bills this year allowing civil unions and same-sex marriage here.

“We need to turn the momentum now,” said California activist Cleve Jones, who is here to train Hawaii supporters of gay marriage.

Jones was brought to Hawaii by Local 5, UNITE HERE’s state affiliate, to conduct leadership training for local activists.

Jones said Hawaii activists must work with unions to form grass-roots coalitions, and encourage online activism on social networking Web sites like Facebook.

“We need to turn the momentum now. It is against us,” Jones said. “We are not a subculture, we are a community. We are not a market, we are a movement.”

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Just in case you were reaching for your snoozy pillow thinking the marriage emergency was over…think again.  The opposition is using this time to train, recruit volunteers and gear up for the next section of the campaign against marriage.

Have you heard of the new marriage fronts in Connecticut? Vermont?  New York?  New Hampshire? Maine? Activists for the opposition are working overtime to counter their losses in California, Florida and Arizona.

Grab your hat and your boots!  The people have spoken, now we have to defend that voice! Break free of your comfort zones for the sake of your freedom, your families and your children, there is no better reason for joining the ranks of the DNA than that.

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43 Comments

  1. January 13, 2009 at 10:17 pm

    I had a dream. In in I saw HATEFUL actions, but of course I would NEVER advocate any of them.

    In my dream the LDS Temple, as well as Catholic and Christian Right churches were vandalized daily since gays decided they all have WAY TOO MUCH MONEY if they can purchase H8 and demonize gays; businesses who supported PROP 8 were also vandalized for the same reason.

    White powder shows up in tithing envelopes.

    People spray-painted HATE or H8 on the sidewalks outside with arrows pointing towards gay-hating church doors.

    Death threats and bomb scares disrupted H8 church services every Sunday across the USA.

    I am NOT advocating these measures…..but they would not surprise me either. Why?

    YOUR “LEGAL CRUSADE” causes OUR family harm, so now we WILL fight back, with the same force as anyone who is trying to protect their beloved family and children. Will it take hurting your wallets?

  2. beetlebabee said,

    January 13, 2009 at 10:24 pm

    John, your threats are thinly veiled. I thought you were all about tolerance? love?

  3. rubyeliot said,

    January 13, 2009 at 10:27 pm

    wow john. maybe BB should make a post out of your comment. It’s a perfect example of the violent mentality of gay activists. (no one is scared).

  4. sleezak said,

    January 13, 2009 at 10:47 pm

    For the sake of my freedom, my family and my children, I will become an activist. Oh, I’m a lesbian. I know you thought we couldn’t have kids, but you were wrong. My children, age 14 and 17, both turned out heterosexual ( since homosexuality is not something that can be taught), but since the passage of prop 8, they’ve decided to become activists in the gay cause as well. Thanks for the inspiration, beetleblogger.

  5. beetlebabee said,

    January 13, 2009 at 11:13 pm

    If the country chooses same sex marriage, let it be a choice made in full knowledge of what is being chosen, not because of ignorance, bully tactics, or threats like those above.

  6. Pearl said,

    January 13, 2009 at 11:27 pm

    John, that is one freaky comment there. This blog author has never suggested that people go out and administer violence. She has never threatened anyone either. You claim that you do not advocate these actions, but it is clear that you wouldn’t do one thing to stop them either.

    You unequivocally illustrate the intimidation tactics so beloved by your “camp,” John. You are just the perfect poster child for current gay “rights” activists, aren’t you now?

    Sleezak, I think it is telling that your children weren’t aware of any problem with homosexuality until Proposition 8. Thank heavens people woke up in time to protect marriage and family. And hopefully, with encouragement and education (not violence and intimidation), more people will take up the defense.

  7. Pearl said,

    January 13, 2009 at 11:30 pm

    Oh, and John, as if intimidation wasn’t effective enough on one blog, you decided to copy and paste your “love” here, too.

    You are a real class act, buddy.

  8. goldnsilver said,

    January 14, 2009 at 12:48 am

    I had a dream. In in I saw HATEFUL actions, but of course I would NEVER advocate any of them.

    In my dream the LDS Temple, as well as Catholic and Christian Right churches were vandalized daily since gays decided they all have WAY TOO MUCH MONEY if they can purchase H8 and demonize gays; businesses who supported PROP 8 were also vandalized for the same reason.

    White powder shows up in tithing envelopes.

    People spray-painted HATE or H8 on the sidewalks outside with arrows pointing towards gay-hating church doors.

    Death threats and bomb scares disrupted H8 church services every Sunday across the USA.

    I am NOT advocating these measures…..but they would not surprise me either. Why?

    YOUR “LEGAL CRUSADE” causes OUR family harm, so now we WILL fight back, with the same force as anyone who is trying to protect their beloved family and children. Will it take hurting your wallets?

    Are you insane? Basing an actual comment on some nuts dream? Last night I had a dream that dolphins would rise and take over the world; should we start exterminating dolphins now?


    wow john. maybe BB should make a post out of your comment. It’s a perfect example of the violent mentality of gay activists. (no one is scared).

    *Sighs deeply, pounds head against brick wall*

    Not that you’d actually know the ‘violent mentality’ of gay activist, but if you read closely you would see that BB is actually freaked out by that comment.

    For the sake of my freedom, my family and my children, I will become an activist. Oh, I’m a lesbian. I know you thought we couldn’t have kids, but you were wrong. My children, age 14 and 17, both turned out heterosexual ( since homosexuality is not something that can be taught), but since the passage of prop 8, they’ve decided to become activists in the gay cause as well. Thanks for the inspiration, beetleblogger.

    Wooooo! Go Sleezak!

  9. January 14, 2009 at 1:21 am

    Haven’t a lot of these crimes that John is dreaming about already happened? Well it’s not really a dream is it.

  10. Pearl said,

    January 14, 2009 at 1:21 am

    Yes, he had a nutso dream. And then he stopped dreaming and said:

    “YOUR ‘LEGAL CRUSADE’ causes OUR family harm, so now we WILL fight back, with the same force as anyone who is trying to protect their beloved family and children. Will it take hurting your wallets?”

    I don’t recall anyone on the side of traditional marriage sending white powder to temples or spray painting swastikas on Catholic churches, and yet this is what he dreams about. That’s fantastic.

    Oh, and if you read Beetle Blogger long enough, you’ll find that she’s quite unafraid, even in the face of intimidation. Calling someone out on their crazy comment is not expressing fear, though if it makes you feel better to misinterpret that, go right ahead.

  11. Euripides said,

    January 14, 2009 at 1:36 am

    John sounds a lot like Malcolm X, except without the intelligence, linguistic ability, argumentative ability, or persuasiveness. Actually, John doesn’t sound a thing like Malcolm X. He just sounds pitiful.

    *sigh*

  12. January 14, 2009 at 1:55 am

    sleezak, if “homosexuality is not something that can be taught,” please tell me why the same organizations that forced gay marriage on Massachusetts (and attempted to force it on California) are so busy *teaching* homosexuality to schoolchildren?

    Article:
    http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.printable&pageId=77373

    If sexuality can’t be taught, then why do we have Sex Ed in school?

  13. rubyeliot said,

    January 14, 2009 at 2:34 am

    @ sleezak:

    no one cares if kids grow up to be gay (unless they start experimenting because government supports the behavior and they get AIDS or other diseases from the unhealthy sex involved).

    what people DO care about in this forum is that children have a mom and a dad.

    Do you care about that?

  14. Stephanie said,

    January 14, 2009 at 12:52 pm

    *Sighs*

  15. beetlebabee said,

    January 14, 2009 at 12:56 pm

    Apparently Stephanie does not care about that. ;-)

  16. January 14, 2009 at 6:02 pm

    I think it is very important to have a mother and father. Some times things are out of our control and children don’t grow up with one or both of their parents.

  17. Stephanie said,

    January 14, 2009 at 6:10 pm

    BB-

    Now stop that, that’s not fair…..as I chuckle to your wink.

    I do care. I understand both sides. Of course one more than the other.

    When I see the whole back and forth, getting in your face thing, it saddens me and makes me sigh.

  18. { Lisa } said,

    January 14, 2009 at 6:13 pm

    There is alot of back and forth going on, its called converation but the only “getting in your face” is coming from the gay side.

  19. Stephanie said,

    January 14, 2009 at 8:15 pm

    Now Lisa, there are plenty of straight folks who have the same “getting in your face” mentality, not just the gay side.

  20. beetlebabee said,

    January 14, 2009 at 8:16 pm

    The argument does get heated at times, and understandably so, the roots of each side’s argument are completely separate in origin and nature. It’s the battle of two world views, one secular, one religious. Only one view will prevail in the end. Even still, thanks for keeping an even, respectful tone of discourse.

    The fewer johnbisceglia types we have, the better off the communication will be.

  21. Stephanie said,

    January 14, 2009 at 8:27 pm

    BB-

    I appreciate your respectful tone as well. I disagree that it’s a secular vs. religious view though. I identify myself as being a follower of Jesus and a lesbian as well and I can honestly say that I don’t agree with many of the secular views of the world. Even still, I think we can disagree, have different opinions and still be respectful to one another. It’s a choice.

  22. goldnsilver said,

    January 14, 2009 at 8:53 pm

    what people DO care about in this forum is that children have a mom and a dad.

    Not true, people like Stephanie and I are more concerned about loving families, rather than whether the parents have a penis and a vagina.

  23. goldnsilver said,

    January 14, 2009 at 8:55 pm

    no one cares if kids grow up to be gay (unless they start experimenting because government supports the behavior and they get AIDS or other diseases from the unhealthy sex involved).

    Well yes, apparently you do care whether her kids grow up gayy (considering the ‘Rainbow Corriculum’ post and the numerous comments I’ve come across).

  24. beetlebabee said,

    January 14, 2009 at 8:56 pm

    Stephanie,

    There are certainly a range of beliefs within both the “religious” and the “secular” labels. I was chatting with GoldnSilver about this earlier. One world view says that right and wrong are immortal, determined by God, higher power, etc., and the understanding is that those laws bring enlightenment, happiness, etc to man(kind).

    The other says that right and wrong are flexible, and up to society and the self to decide, happiness is found in complete freedom, without adhering to limitations, or perhaps with flexible limitations. Do what you want, then you’ll be happy.

  25. Raytmimer said,

    January 14, 2009 at 9:19 pm

    G, I think the concern is that more kids not be exposed to the things that influence gender confusion, or SSA. The concern is not condemning or shunning people who suffer with SSA. It’s a rough unhealthy lifestyle, full of difficulty. Who would wish that on their kids?

  26. rubyeliot said,

    January 14, 2009 at 9:30 pm

    GoldnSilver, you should look at some social science research. It’s not just about who takes out the trash or who makes dinner. Kids learn different things from different genders. Two moms/two dads, no matter how much they love, cannot equal the influence and learning a child gains from a mom and a dad.

    Role models are kind of a lame substitute if someone is going to strip a child (on purpose) of one of their parents.

    Also, I didn’t write any comments about children being gay on the rainbow curriculum post. Are you talking about me specifically? Or general people on the forum?

    I certainly don’t care if children grow up to be gay. It’s a risky lifestyle and that needs to be discussed if homosexuality is going to be taught in schools.

    Because it is a dangerous lifestyle, I don’t think it should be encouraged or discussed in elementary schools. There isn’t a need.

  27. goldnsilver said,

    January 14, 2009 at 9:37 pm

    G, I think the concern is that more kids not be exposed to the things that influence gender confusion, or SSA. The concern is not condemning or shunning people who suffer with SSA. It’s a rough unhealthy lifestyle, full of difficulty. Who would wish that on their kids?

    GoldnSilver, you should look at some social science research. It’s not just about who takes out the trash or who makes dinner. Kids learn different things from different genders. Two moms/two dads, no matter how much they love, cannot equal the influence and learning a child gains from a mom and a dad.

    Role models are kind of a lame substitute if someone is going to strip a child (on purpose) of one of their parents.

    Also, I didn’t write any comments about children being gay on the rainbow curriculum post. Are you talking about me specifically? Or general people on the forum?

    I certainly don’t care if children grow up to be gay. It’s a risky lifestyle and that needs to be discussed if homosexuality is going to be taught in schools.

    Because it is a dangerous lifestyle, I don’t think it should be encouraged or discussed in elementary schools. There isn’t a need.

    If you want to discuss those things, go to the smoker phobe thread or the rainbow curriculum thread, where my points have been stated.

    Not trying to be rude, but I don’t want to get repetitious and start the same argument here.

  28. January 14, 2009 at 9:41 pm

    Excellent point Raytmimer. I completely agree. It’s like some parents care more about being hip and trendy and being seen as tolerant and acceptant to the gay lifestyle, then they do about protecting their children.

  29. goldnsilver said,

    January 14, 2009 at 9:45 pm

    It’s like some parents care more about being hip and trendy and being seen as tolerant and acceptant to the gay lifestyle, then they do about protecting their children

    Considering there isn’t actually anything to protect them from when it comes to homosexuality, you could consider that most parents are more interested in perpetrating their homophobic views than allowing thousands more orphans to have a home.

  30. Stephanie said,

    January 14, 2009 at 9:50 pm

    Ray-

    “The concern is not condemning or shunning people who suffer with SSA. It’s a rough unhealthy lifestyle, full of difficulty. Who would wish that on their kids?”

    It is a rough and unhealthy for some PEOPLE because some PEOPLE make lifestyle choices which make it rough and difficult on them. Just like some PEOPLE in the heterosexual lifestyle make some unhealthy choices which makes their life rough.

    I am very blessed to have the life I have, to have the family I have and to be filled with such joy. Aside from needing to lose some weight, I’m feeling pretty healthy.

  31. beetlebabee said,

    January 14, 2009 at 10:05 pm

    Stephanie, that is a good point. Because YOU don’t live an unhealthy lifestyle, others won’t either.

    There is a great post on this by Jane Galt, one of my libertarian heroes:

    https://beetlebabee.wordpress.com/2008/11/16/jane-galt-a-libertarian-view/

    It’s long, but you may like it. She doesn’t come out on gay marriage one way or the other, but she brings up some very interesting points relevant to this conversation.

  32. rubyeliot said,

    January 14, 2009 at 10:27 pm

    Goldnsilver…what about all the special std’s that come from specific gay-sex behaviors? what about AIDS? What about the incidence rate of violence with same-gender couples? What about the incidence rate of psychological problems?

    Homosexuality was lifted from the list of disorders because of a vote among psychologists. A vote which occurred becuase of extreme pressure from homosexual activists. A vote which only represented 33% of the psychologists involved with the APA. Sounds a little sospechoso to me.

  33. January 14, 2009 at 10:55 pm

    From what I have read there are a few psychologists who are starting to question the assumption that homosexual sex is a good thing. There is so much political pressure to go along with the assumption that is is hard for them to raise any issues which might be seen as critical. It seems as though scientific research has been set aside and political wants promoted regardless.

  34. { Lisa } said,

    January 14, 2009 at 11:10 pm

    Stephanie,

    I was speaking about this forum specifically:)

    Goldnsilver,

    tsk tsk “homophobic is not a real word sweetie:)

  35. rubyeliot said,

    January 15, 2009 at 1:14 am

    G&S–

    You brought them up here. on this thread.

  36. goldnsilver said,

    January 15, 2009 at 1:24 am

    Goldnsilver,

    tsk tsk “homophobic is not a real word sweetie:)

    Homophobic is the adjective form of this term used to describe the qualities of these characteristics, while homophobe is the noun form given as a title to individuals labeled with homophobic characteristics

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homophobia

    Looks like your the one who should read the dictionary, sweetie ;).

    what about all the special std’s that come from specific gay-sex behaviors? what about AIDS? What about the incidence rate of violence with same-gender couples? What about the incidence rate of psychological problems?

    I’m not saying that there aren’t some big issues in the homosexual community that need to be looked at – but there are big issues amongst every community. That doesn’t mean every community should be condemned.

    G&S–

    You brought them up here. on this thread.

    If that’s the case then I apologise.

  37. { Lisa } said,

    January 15, 2009 at 1:40 am

    Goldnsilver,

    heres a little reading for you. Just because some ‘brain trust’ thought it would be a good idea to make up a new word then have it put in our dictionary doesnt make it a real word. look at the word bling!

    https://beetlebabee.wordpress.com/2008/12/03/ho%e2%8b%85mo%e2%8b%85phobe-n/

  38. goldnsilver said,

    January 15, 2009 at 1:56 am

    Once a word is officially entered into the dictionary it is actually a word. That’s how language continues and evolves, new words are added all the time.

    Just because it doesn’t meet your selection criteria doesn’t mean you can be condescending to the people who use it.

  39. Raytmimer said,

    January 15, 2009 at 3:46 am

    isn’t the original context one of psychological phobia? Like true fear? I’ve always thought it was pretty much verbal overkill to go tossing words like that around.

  40. { Lisa } said,

    January 15, 2009 at 9:43 am

    yes phobia means fear and that is why it is so silly. Like anyone actually has a fear of gays!! lol I bet there would more fence climbing and teeth gnashing if one were to take that word OUT of the dictionary!!

  41. SlinkyPea46 said,

    January 16, 2009 at 3:17 am

    Woah. I’d call that a nightmare, not a dream.

  42. SlinkyPea46 said,

    January 16, 2009 at 3:18 am

    (referring to comment #1 by johnbisceglia)

  43. beetlebabee said,

    January 16, 2009 at 5:09 am

    “From what I have read there are a few psychologists who are starting to question the assumption that homosexual sex is a good thing. There is so much political pressure to go along with the assumption that is is hard for them to raise any issues which might be seen as critical. It seems as though scientific research has been set aside and political wants promoted regardless.”

    Secular Heretic, that is an interesting point. Warwick Marsh comes to mind, one of the authors of the 21 Reasons Why Gender Matters study. He lost his job because of his association with the study even though it is thoroughly backed up by data.

    and this one:
    Dozens of studies about kids raised by gay parents were mischaracterized for political reasons so as not to draw the ire of homosexual activists or encourage anti-gay rhetoric, a new report suggests.

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,29901,00.html


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