Prop 8 Oral Arguments Tomorrow


Prop 8 Oral Arguments

The California Supreme Court will hear oral arguments on Proposition 8 tomorrow morning, Thursday, March 5.

The justices will hear arguments on three law suits regarding marriage.

Shannon Minter, Legal Director for the National Center for Lesbian Rights in San Francisco, will first argue against Prop 8. Minter is a transsexual who changed to self-identifying as a man over a decade ago. Ken Starr, former U.S. Solicitor General, will then argue in favor of Prop 8.

“We will not mince words,” Starr wrote in his court papers. “The attorney general is inviting this court to declare a constitutional revolution.”

You can watch the oral arguments online, for free, at

Arguments begin at 9 a.m. Pacific Time.



  1. Delirious said,

    March 5, 2009 at 2:34 am

    I teach early morning seminary, but maybe I can watch it online. I thought about getting a sub so I could go, but decided I should teach my class. I’ll be praying for the courts to choose the right though.

  2. Chairm said,

    March 5, 2009 at 8:25 am

    From the link to

    “So how is the court divvying up its three hours? In Tuesday’s order scheduling the hearing, the court allotted

    30 minutes to California AG Jerry Brown;

    30 minutes each to the two groups of same-sex couples;

    30 minutes to the local governments and

    60 minutes to Protect Marriage, the ballot measure’s official sponsor.”

    That’s 60 minutes pro-marriage versus 120 minutes anti-marriage. This suggests, and only suggests, that the judges have more questions to pursue with the anti-marriage arguers. However, they’ve left Kenneth Starr for the last so he and his staff will be able to respond to the contradictory assertions of the previous speakers.

    Starr will argue that the Court should hold (1) that Proposition 8 IS a valid initiative amendment, not a revision, (2) that Proposition 8 does not violate the separation of powers doctrine, and (3) that no marriage other than one between a man and a woman, regardless of when or where performed, is valid or recognized in California.

  3. holly96 said,

    March 5, 2009 at 4:00 pm

    This is sort of off-topic, but I thought I’d share. My office building in San Francisco is right next to some offices of the California Bar Association. When I came in this morning, there were some people outside protesting something (probably only a handful). The leader with the megaphone was shouting “California Bar, do the right thing!” That is very vague, so when I got to my desk I Googled to see what I could find out, and found this. I suspect this is what these protesters are referring to. To summarize, an organization representing gay lawyers wants the State Bar to change the location of their annual meeting (which is in September). It’s scheduled to be held at the Manchester Grand Hyatt Hotel, which is owned by Doug Manchester, who donated $125,000 to Yes on Prop 8. Thus far the State Bar has refused to move it (mostly for financial reasons, as far as I can tell), and the organization has invited Bar leaders to attend their annual dinner, which is tomorrow (and which is why I’m assuming this has to do with the protest this morning). The group is threatening to boycott the State Bar’s meeting. There’s also a story here.

    Up to a few minutes ago I could still hear them. They seem to have left or at least taken a break.

  4. holly96 said,

    March 5, 2009 at 4:01 pm

    My links didn’t work. Don’t know why. Here’s the first one:

    And the 2nd:

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