The Hate Angle

Thoughts on Reactions I Get From the Hate Angle

I’ve pondered this question again and again in making a stand for marriage, life, family and freedom. When people disagree with me on freedom, it’s usually a logical argument. Yes I think taxes should be limited, no I don’t like socialism…etc. But when I get to talking about marriage, people INEVITABLY throw out the “bigot” card, straight from the hate angle.  Here’s one I got from someone yesterday called


“Those that are doing the threatening dont believe they are doing anything wrong…history does repeat itself. We make a stand against those who hate. You say you dont and yet you stand there in arms in support of something that screams HATE!!! “I hate the fact that you’re Happy and I dont want to see it…” You were not afraid to make a stand against your fellow men and women born with equal rights now were you? Wait!!! You must truly believe that not all men and women are created equal for you to make such a stand…you should have went to the hearing. Support what you believe. Dont be a coward. Dont throw your punch and run to hide. Hate is Strong but LOVE conquers ALL.”

Where is the logic?? Why is there no logic? Now, my regular readers know that there’s not a hateful bone in my body.  I’m not an emotional person.  I don’t call names, make personal judgments of people or anything like “hate.” I simply disagree.

Sheer blind emotion devoid of fact.  I don’t get it.

Today I read page 36 of “The Marketing of Evil”….you know, the book that deserves one blog post per page it’s so good?  (It’s times like this that I wish I’d bought the dang thing instead of just borrowed it from Rita so I could mark it all up for future reference.  No worries Rita! I don’t have any markers involved….yet…)

David Kupelian laid it out in an interesting way. He says:

“It’s not about rights.  It’s about redefining truth and censoring all criticism so that militant homosexuals can be comfortable in their “lifestyle” without having to be disturbed by reality.

Remember, all of us—homosexuals included—have a conscience (that other-dimensional standard that God has tucked away inside each of us) that causes us inner conflict when we’re doing the wrong thing .  But if we tumble into the grip of dark forces, we don’t understand and then start to defend our obsessions and compulsions, we inevitably come to regard our conscience as an enemy.  And although we may be somewhat successful in drowning out that inner warning bell, what happens when this same rejected conscience factor appears in another person and gets too close to us for comfort?  We feel threatened.

Therefore, we feel compelled to silence the “voice of conscience”—not just the one inside of us, but the one in other people, which tends to revive our own conscience with which we’re at war.  This means we can’t tolerate dissent.  We simply can’t stand it.  It makes us want to scream.

To the homosexual living in denial , then, even a loving offer of  help from, say, a Christian ex-gay ministry or “reparative therapy” counselor (to help overcome homosexual addiction) fells like the most vile, abusive hatred.  In fact, it’s real love—which we misinterpret as hatred and “bigotry” simply because it causes us to confront a truth that is not welcome in us.”

Many of you have come across the same reactions from people you know, or have met throughout this marriage debate.  What do you think of Kupelian’s thought?

—Beetle Blogger



  1. Keith said,

    March 7, 2009 at 2:27 pm

    I am straight and fully support prop 8, but I think there is more to it than not wanting to be reminded of guilt. I think that homosexuals hate feeling like a minority. In truth, they are mistreated on a number of levels i.e. in popular media, schools, and just about everywhere. They are mocked and rejected in unusually intense ways from childhood on. It seems the biggest insult you can give a man, gay or straight, is to call him gay because it sets him at odds with the characteristics a “man” is supposed to have. I’m sure this leaves gays feeling rejected by society at large.

    I think the angry reaction you get is in part a result of this mistreatment, which should be considered regrettable by both sides of the gay marriage issue. Gays are used to being attacked in very personal ways, and so the anger rises quickly.

    Here’s my most substantive point, though: I think many gays want gay marriage legalized not because they actually want to marry and stay married but because it legitimizes their lifestyle. They want institutional support and push for widespread acknowledgment and acceptance of their lifestyle in order to end, or at least diminish, the mistreatment they receive and perceive. I don’t think their anger is always justified, but there are reasonable explanations for why some anger and misperception exists besides not wanting to be reminded of guilt.

  2. Keith said,

    March 7, 2009 at 2:31 pm

    And by schools, I mean by childhood peers – not teachers or administrators. Among school age boys, there is real cruelty and violence towards gays – much of it psychological and emotional.

  3. Delirious said,

    March 7, 2009 at 2:37 pm

    This sums up everything I have been thinking but couldn’t put in to words. I kept feeling that this whole debate wasn’t really about marriage, it was about the normalization, the acceptance of homosexual behavior.

  4. Keith said,

    March 7, 2009 at 2:48 pm

    Also, (sorry to keep posting, but this was a point I wanted to make) I think that the reason I have mentioned for wanting to legalize gay marriage is an illegitimate reason. Obtaining rights such as visitation, financial, etc. would be legitimate reasons (in my opinion), and that’s why I think domestic partnerships should be enough.

  5. Dave Crea said,

    March 7, 2009 at 5:02 pm

    Now it seems that the educational system and many in society at large fully embrace homosexuality, because of homosexual’s tolerance and homophobe messages. At the same time, homosexuals’ perceived attacks and hatred are now really being enacted against Christians. I think much of the intolerance and hatred has really just been individuals making decisions about who they want to associate with and who their friends should hang out with, as well as religious moral beliefs. These were not direct attacks on homosexuals for the most part, homosexuals I guess just felt wrong inside and want to crush anything that reinforces their negative feelings about their actions. This previously perceived intolerance and hatred that homosexuals thought existed is currently being used to discriminate, attack, and hate Christians instead. Society is turned upside down on its head. We must be living in the last days because having moral values is labeled as evil and immorality is labeled as good. Society is so messed up. I’m thankful that you and a few other people are standing up for their beliefs even if they are labeled as uninformed or intolerant by homosexuals.

  6. beetlebabee said,

    March 7, 2009 at 5:54 pm

    Keith, you bring up some good points. I agree that legitimacy is at the heart of their push, not rights and benefits. The anti-religious sentiment being pushed by so many gay activists is, I think, an acknowledgment that in order for society to fully accept the gay lifestyle, they must also reject the religious lifestyle. Both positions are mutually exclusive world views. For one to win, the other must fail.

  7. March 9, 2009 at 12:32 pm

    I think David Kupelian is committing the logical fallacy of assuming the unasked question. The following ideas that were never proven or even addressed in his quote have to be assumed in order to evaluate his argument:

    1. there is something wrong with being gay
    2. gay people think there is something wrong with being gay.
    3. gay people feel guilty about being gay.
    4. god exists
    5. god implanted conscience in us.
    6. “dark forces”, which could use some definition

    I couldn’t even begin to discuss David Kupelian’s argument until those other 6 issues were dealt with first.

  8. beetlebabee said,

    March 9, 2009 at 1:14 pm

    Personal Failure, those six points are not in question in this post, however given those six points, you are welcome to comment….or you could comment on your view of why the universal response to critical thought on gay issues is to call names, “bigot”, “hater” etc.

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