Video| New Hampshire: HB 436 Marriage Bill

More State Reps Present for Marriage Redefinition vote than Both Budget Votes!

From CPR Action:

Though we were very pleased with the outcome of the vote in the House this week to block Governor Lynch’s gay marriage amendment, the numbers tell the real story – where are their priorities?  Not only has the legislature spent more time and debate on the gay marriage issue, but as it turns out, there were more legislators present to vote on gay marriage than there were on the two budget bills!! Apparently the legislature sticking families with massive tax hikes, like the capital gains, estate, and gas taxes, just aren’t as important to them as gay marriage is!
Vote on the Lynch Gay Marriage Amendment:
188-186
(YEAS, NAYS) A NAY vote was against the Lynch Amendment

 

Today, CPR-Action Executive Director, Kevin Smith, commented on the statement from Governor Lynch’s Office that if the legislature passes legislation that maintains his "principles", he will sign the bill.

"Once again, we see the Governor going back on his word.  After declaring for years that he opposed gay marriage, the Governor then stated he had to ‘do what was best’ for the state only after the House and Senate passed gay marriage, breaking his word to the citizens of New Hampshire.  Now, after stating he would only sign the bill if the legislature passed ‘this language’, he is again hedging his word by stating it (only) needs to maintain its ‘principles’." 

Smith continued, "It is incredibly ironic at this point that the Governor would even be speaking of ‘principles’ when he can’t even abide by the simple principle of keeping ones word."

Confused about What is Going on in New Hampshire?

From Citizen Leadership of New Hampshire

Its been brought to my attention that Fox news has reported HB 436 as being defeated by the House …..  that is FALSE!  Only an amendment to the bill was defeated.

The bill is going to  Conference Committee where House Speaker Norelli gets to pick her favorites to participate in redesigning the bill and who knows what the bill is going to look like when they are done. 
The bill will have to go back to the Full House after the Conference Committee for another vote; then on to Gov Lynch.  We will still have another round to go at the State House.

Its important the citizens continue to call, email and write letters in defense of traditional marriage.

Gov Lynch needs to be held accountable to his public statement that if the amendments were not added he would veto the bill.
NH citizens have done a fantastic job motivating the Republican Representatives and Senators to get to the State House and VOTE!  There time and energy is paying off  because they all showed up yesterday!

Other articles:

Opine: NOM Director Urges NH Gov to Keep His word

Pearl: NOM and CPR Action Present: “I’m Confused”

Keyser’s Causes: Huge Victory for Marriage in New Hampshire

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16 Comments

  1. May 22, 2009 at 12:35 pm

    [...] Beetle Blog: HB 436 Marriage Bill [...]

  2. KingM said,

    May 22, 2009 at 3:42 pm

    Nice to see that my neighboring state will soon join my own in legalizing same sex marriage. That will make it 3/3 for Northern New England and 5/6 for New England as a whole. I imagine it will gradually spread south and west from here.

    And the world won’t come to an end.

  3. Emissary said,

    May 22, 2009 at 4:33 pm

    Spread like a cancer….

    And thus will marriage die to thunderous applause…. It’s already started, but I think this speeds up the process.

    My prediction is that one generation after same-sex marriage is mandated nationwide, marriage in our nation will be largely gone, except among the devoutly religious.

    And though our world may continue, it will not be very pretty without the stabilizing influence of heterosexual marriage.

  4. Chairm said,

    May 22, 2009 at 5:54 pm

    Resistance is far, far, far from futile.

    NOM is already making a huge difference with very little in the way of resources. This is a political fight.

    The SSM campaign is about riding a wave of rhetorical crystal-ball gazing. About 85% of the states have a DOMA or marriage amendment. Most state high courts have decided that marriage is constitutional. About 2/3rds of respondents to opinon surveys agree.

    Don’t let their propagada demoralize you or leave you feeling like they won just by their promising to win.

  5. KingM said,

    May 25, 2009 at 3:45 am

    Marriage isn’t going to die. People still get married in countries where gay marriage is allowed and marriage is still seen as the happy result of an adult romance. That isn’t going to change.

  6. Chairm said,

    May 25, 2009 at 7:48 am

    KingM that is your prediction.

    Marriage is a social institution; SSM argumentation attacks the core of that social institution. Merging SSM with marriage is about declaring the death of marriage qua marriage.

    Declaring a that the word marriage is about adult romance is a really poor substitute for the societal esteem and preference for a foundational social institution.

    There is no romance requirement anyplace that SSM has been imposed or enacted. So, according to SSM argumentation’s own rules, romance is not the meaning of SSM. It would not be the meaning of an SSM-merger.

    And, your remark suggests that participation rates are important in measuring the consequences of such a merger. Participation rates in SSM have been very, very, very low and have been on steep annual decline. At some point it will be so low that it will appear to have bottomed-out.

    And the SSM-merger has done zilch to stall, much less to reverse, the less drastic but steady decline of participation in marriage (i.e. union of husband and wife).

    SSM is anti-marriage based on the stated standards of SSM argumentation.

  7. Op Ed. said,

    May 25, 2009 at 6:39 pm

    KingM: That will make it 3/3 for Northern New England and 5/6 for New England as a whole. I imagine it will gradually spread south and west from here.

    When one takes to arguing by imagining, one has clearly out of reason. Jim Crow laws were once sweeping through one corner of the country, and no doubt many “imagine[d] it will gradually spread” to the rest of the nation. For all that imagining, reason is what eventually won out. There is no reason to “imagine” anything different will happen now.

    And the world won’t come to an end.

    Gee, “the world [didn't] come to an end” with Jim Crow, either. Tell me, why do you think KingM tries to set the standard of success so low?

  8. KingM said,

    May 26, 2009 at 3:17 am

    “Gee, “the world [didn't] come to an end” with Jim Crow, either. Tell me, why do you think KingM tries to set the standard of success so low?”

    Jim Crow laws were about the dominant group taking the rights of a minority. I think you’ve got your analogy backwards here.

  9. Op Ed. said,

    May 26, 2009 at 5:20 am

    KingM: Jim Crow laws were about the dominant group taking the rights of a minority.

    Jim Crow laws were about passing off segregation as equal to integration in public institutions. Jim Crow was about replacing the purposes of our public institutions with identity politics.

    Maintaining a definition of marriage, or more accurately, maintaining a purpose in marriage, is no more “taking away… rights” than maintaining a definition of “judge,” “police,” or “diploma” is.

    Here’s another question you missed:

    “Tell me, why do you think KingM tries to set the standard of success so low?”

  10. KingM said,

    May 26, 2009 at 10:37 am

    “Tell me, why do you think KingM tries to set the standard of success so low?

    It’s called hyperbole, although I suspect you knew that. The traditional marriage proponents frequently warn of calamity if gay marriage becomes legal. I’m just pointing out that those states and nations where gay marriage has already become legal are remarkably free of calamity.

  11. beetlebabee said,

    May 26, 2009 at 10:41 am

    And this based on how many years of available information? Tell me, how long did it take to debunk the disinformation of the “global warming” hoax? We put more emphasis on our study of owls and sea lions than we do our own children.

  12. Chairm said,

    May 26, 2009 at 11:45 am

    KingM, the nonmarital trends are a calamity.

  13. Chairm said,

    May 26, 2009 at 11:46 am

    But, apparently, the low participation rates in SSM are not a calamity for SSM suppoters?

  14. KingM said,

    May 26, 2009 at 3:10 pm

    But, apparently, the low participation rates in SSM are not a calamity for SSM suppoters?

    Nah, frankly I don’t care if gays get married or not. Why would I?

    In any event, they may be low, but they’re not trivial. 18,000 same sex couples got married in California in a relatively brief window of time. Seems like there are more than a few people who are interested in the institution.

  15. Randy said,

    May 29, 2009 at 1:11 am

    I think if HB436 is vetoed, gays should join forces with those wanting to protect marriage and make divorce illegal, or at the very least ban the ability for divorced people to get marriaged; that flies in the face of so many religious groups fighting HB436, why is there no push for a law to ban divorced people from getting married? How can we protect marriage if people can get in and out of them like clothes, and no one tries to stop them. But it is so clear how a civil marriage, pledges madge before a JP and not God, would harm the sanctity of a church’s wedding ceremony before God.

  16. beetlebabee said,

    May 29, 2009 at 7:33 am

    Randy, are you comparing gay unions to divorced couples?


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