Prop 8 Team to Help Maine with People’s Veto

maine people's veto

Working for State Marriage Amendment

From Marriage News:

“After becoming the fifth state to legalize gay marriage on May 6, the State of Maine has seen its citizens rally to stop the law from going into effect. It appears that the new statewide strategy to oppose the redefined marriage law will follow California’s Proposition 8, which successfully amended California’s constitution to define marriage as being between one man and one woman.

[…]

The people of Maine have taken many cues from California’s 2008 strategy for protecting traditional marriage, even hiring Schubert Flint Public Affairs, the powerhouse public relations firm that managed the Proposition 8 campaign and helped win 52 percent of the vote in last November’s California election. The PR firm says it will play a consulting role to Maine’s citizens who seek to preserve historic marriage and family. Polling data suggest that the majority of citizens in Maine oppose same-sex marriage.”

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23 Comments

  1. Mena said,

    June 20, 2009 at 7:02 am

    Good stuff. You should let your good views be known at MarriageNewsNow.com by commenting on articles there.

  2. Urabus said,

    June 20, 2009 at 3:45 pm

    I’m not sure how to take this news. I’ve been a monthly contributor to Protect Marriage.com for about a year now. I don’t consider 32,000 homosexuals carrying 16,000 “VALID” marriage licences in my state of California to be a success story. I’ve let Andy Pugno know that by email as I am sure thousands of other have, with no response.
    Now Andy Pugno is making a run for CA state assembly office 5th district in 2010, which is fine and I will support that. But it seems there are too many kettles on too many fires at once and none of them are getting cooked properly. We first need to finish cleaning up the mess the four kagaroo judges created when they made 32,000 homosexuals a special class of citizens ammune to the CA state constitution.

  3. Bill said,

    June 23, 2009 at 2:04 pm

    Urabus,
    I hear you. Why stop at just taking away marriage from the 18,000 gay couples? Maybe there’s some way to even get a law on the books that would take away children from gay parents. Anything that would teach gay people that they’re not really human works for me!

  4. June 24, 2009 at 2:22 am

    Gay couples who have a marriage certificate are not really married. It is an attempt at imitating marriage.

    People who happen to have a same sex attraction and are also the biological parents of children should not have them removed.

    How do you define human Bill? Lots of people have all sorts of disorders including same sex attraction. The type of disability or disorder a person may have does not define the humanness of a person.

  5. Bill said,

    June 25, 2009 at 3:14 pm

    If homosexuality is a disorder, then it is most likely harmful to children who reside in the household. So, they should be removed from any household with a gay parent.

    However, I believe that homosexuality is not a disability or disorder. It is Satan at work. Homosexual couples who profess to be happy are clearly deluded and need to wake up and renounce Satan.

  6. beetlebabee said,

    June 25, 2009 at 3:26 pm

    Bill, would you have the same feeling for single people? Are they not human as well? Since when does marriage make you human?

  7. beetlebabee said,

    June 25, 2009 at 3:29 pm

    Bill/Mark/Gary, you’ve posted many times on this site. Posing as someone you are not in order to misrepresent them isn’t right, fair, or good practice. If you’re against marriage as defined, then just say so. Don’t try to put words in people’s mouths. It’s not honest.

  8. Bill said,

    June 25, 2009 at 7:32 pm

    Seriously? You’re going to get on your high horse and say that it isn’t “right or fair.” This coming from someone who spends an inordinate amount of time on making sure that gay people are not to be treated with dignity or respect (and I’m not just talking about in relation to marriage). So much of this blog is based solely on making gay people feel less than human and making sure that are marginalized. What an admirable endeavor! Your heart must sing every time you can think of some new way to put down or make gay people feel crappy. You even have to take a stand on Harvey Milk Day? I’m not surprised, of course. But it shows that you want to make sure that all of your anti-gay bases are covered.

    Some of my comments were meant to show the absurdity and cruelty and ignorance that is representative on blogs such as yours. You can think that you’re doing God’s work and being super-moral, but in the end, all you are doing is contributing to the continued condemnation of a minority, who want nothing else other than to be treated with respect and dignity.

    What is being treated as human? It’s being given the same amount of respect, dignity, and treatment under the law as everyone else. THAT is the dreaded gay agenda that the far right complains about! What nerve! Who do these people think they are–wanting to be treated with respect and dignity? I hate to break it to you, but it’s the same thing that all persecuted minorities have fought for AND won over time.

    So, please, by all means, continue your very positive, altruistic blog. It’s such a worthwhile effort and doing oh-so-much for the greater good. You must be so proud of yourself.

  9. Bill said,

    June 25, 2009 at 7:49 pm

    And it’s worth noting that my tongue-in-cheek comments were not that different from some of the ignorant and mean-spirited comments that I’ve seen on blogs like this.

  10. June 26, 2009 at 3:09 am

    Bill, it’s hard to take you seriously when you chop and change different view points from one comment to the next.

  11. beetlebabee said,

    June 26, 2009 at 9:28 am

    Bill, take offense if you wish, none is intended. What is discussed on this blog is not directed at condemning people, but providing information about the issues and how to be involved in protecting children and families from people who consider their sexuality on par with their race. That is where we divide my friend. Your sexuality is not who you are. You are more than simply human. You’re a person and you have value. None of that is diminished here. However, do not expect that because you are my brother that I will let you walk on me or my children. The time for keeping private lives and private decisions out of the public square ended when gay advocates pushed for forced public acceptance in law, policy and schools.

    If you want to talk about rights and privilege, think about children’s rights and how this train wreck of public acceptance is affecting them. Your sexual preference doesn’t supersede a kid’s right to a mom and a dad. There is no right to define marriage as you please. You have a right to your private life, but you do not have the right to force it on people who don’t want it.

  12. Bill said,

    June 26, 2009 at 12:47 pm

    I always find it amusing when people say “no offense.” Regardless if you don’t mean for your comments and efforts to be offensive– announcement! announcement!: they are indeed offensive.

    This blog (and others like it) don’t merely “provide information”; it encourage and incites people to treat gays and lesbians as second-class citizens and not deserving of respect or dignity. It takes a strongly negative stance against anything gay. In your efforts to preserve your precious status quo, you actually makes life harder for a minority. (I think it’s safe to say that you don’t much care if you do though).

    I can’t change my race, and I can’t change my sexuality. It is an integral part of my identity. While some people are indeed bisexual, most are not and are either predominantly straight or gay. And although you may find this hard to believe, being gay is not an issue of morality. So, if I can’t change my sexuality, then one would hope that society would be understanding of this fact and still treat me with respect, dignity and equality. And if you are foolish enough to think I could just choose to be straight, then you are too far gone to understand where I am coming from. Could you choose to be gay tomorrow? Of course not. The same principle applies.

    And just because I want to be treated equally under the law does not mean that I am “walking on you or your children.” The rights of children are important, of course. But when you say that, you are basically implying that children should be “protected” from (in your opinion) the negative influences of gay people. And THAT is the problem. Being gay is not by definition a negative thing. Sadly, people like yourself try to convince others that being gay is a perversion and that gay people should just keep quiet and accept their situation. Gee, I’m so sorry that gay people living openly so offends you. Unfortunately your discomfort with gay people should not preclude them being treated fairly.

    And the absurdity of your statements is best seen in your phrase, “think about how this train wreck of acceptance is affepting them.” When kids see gay couples getting married, and having families, then the effect might be that kids realize that gays and lesbians should be treated fairly and as equal citizens in our society. Gee, isn’t that just awful. If you have a problem with treating gay people fairly and with dignity, then that’s your internal problem.

    And when you say, “Your sexual preference doesn’t supercede a kid’s right to a mom and a dad” you seem to be implying that gay people shouldn’t be parents. Is there anything else that you’d like to take away from gay people or does this just about cover it? If you’re that concerned about kids not having a mom and a dad, how about doing a blog on preventing teen pregnancy or a blog criticizing single (straight) parents. Gay people are just as capable of being good parents as a straight couples. If anything, it would be logical to say how strongly that they value being parents since they have to really make a considerable effort to actually become parents–unlike some drug-addicted teenage girl who gets herself pregnant.

    So, it is foolish and mean-spirited of you to expect gay people to just keep quiet and allow the prejudices against them to continue. When you say, “You have a right to your private life, but you do not have the right to force it on people who don’t want it.” it implies that you’d ideally like you and your family to never have to interact or hear about gay people. My most sincere apologies to you and yours for having the nerve to exist and want the same things that every straight person does.

    So, once again. Please continue your oh-so-positive blog. I’m a big believer in karma, so I have no doubt that there will be some day that you will be in a situation where you are treated unfairly and with disrespect–and you will know exactly how a gay person feels.

  13. Bill said,

    June 26, 2009 at 1:18 pm

    Correction:
    Oh, and what about re-proposing that late 70s law that would have banned gay people from being teachers? That seems right up your alley!

  14. beetlebabee said,

    June 26, 2009 at 2:22 pm

    The whole unfair aspect just doesn’t hold any water with me. You are a person right? As a person, you have every right I have. So where’s all this chip on your shoulder coming from? I don’t have the right to marry the same sex either. You don’t want rights, you’ve got those already. You want different rights, special rights. I just don’t think that’s a good idea. It’s got consequences for more than what you admit or allow.

    Someone who is gay absolutely has the capacity to be a good parent. No one is saying differently. However, that does not change the fact that kids need a mom and a dad. So if someone who suffers from same sex attraction can’t provide that for a child, they probably shouldn’t be parents. Same with single people. Kids need a mom and a dad. It’s pretty simple. You can get all huffy about it if you want, you can claim it’s all about you, but it’s not.

  15. June 26, 2009 at 3:57 pm

    Well said BB.

    Bill, same sex attraction is not normal. It is a desire which takes sexuality and twists it around so that it no longer fulfills its purpose. Rather than encourage these thoughts and have them manifest in homosexual behaviour it would be better to live a chaste life. This is not pushing sexuality under the rug but admitting honestly the feelings you have and acting in a way which is uplifting for yourself. Everyone must say no to their sexual desires. If everyone could not say no then we would simply be behaving like dogs in heat. It is freeing to be able to control our sexual desires and so no. I don’t know if we can change what we are sexually attracted to but we can change our behaviour and say no to sex if it is not in keeping with the purpose of sex.

  16. Bill said,

    June 26, 2009 at 9:46 pm

    Yes, you don’t have the right to marry a person of the same-sex, but you DO have the right and ability to marry the ONE person of your choice. A gay person in California does not have that same ability because they are only emotionally and sexually attracted to a person of the same gender. It is foolish and illogical to imply that a gay person has the same rights because they can marry a person of the opposite. Obviously that is not a REALISTIC option for a gay person. If you can’t see the total illogic to your original statement, then I can’t help you there.

    And you contradicted yourself quite nicely re: gay parents. You first say that a gay person has the capacity to be a good parent but then you shift gears and say that if they can’t provide a mom and dad, then they shouldn’t be parents. If by this you’re suggesting that two moms, for example, make sure that the child has consistent male role models (uncles, friends, etc) in their life, then I agree. If you’re suggesting anything else, then again, you’re being illogical and unrealistic.

    SH: Your response is an example of the type that I was trying to initially do a parody of. To be quite blunt, your statements are absurd. What a ridiculous and foolish thing to say: If you’re gay, you should live a “chaste life.” Gee, that’s sounds like a great idea! Why didn’t I think of that? Why have a loving committed relationship with a same-sex partner, when I could voluntarily choose to be lonely for the rest of my life?

    I’m not sure why I bothered to respond, but consider this to be my last statement. Keep on truckin’ down the road of ignorance and mean-spiritedness!

  17. Chairm said,

    June 27, 2009 at 5:04 am

    Bill, what makes you think that arranging for ‘male role models (uncles, friends, etc)” is the equivalent of mom having and raising her children with the father of her children?

    All of us are born equal, of a man and a woman. Barring dire circumstnaces of tragedy, each child has a birthright to be raised by the man and woman who created him.

    You seem adamant that sex difference is of vital importance to adult homosexuals. That is, a lesbian could not love and marry a man because the difference between men and women makes all the difference to her. And yet you seem just as adamant that sex difference is of no importance when it comes to the children being raised by the same lesbian woman. There is a huge contradiction in your comments right there.

    You must acknowledge that sex difference is a reality. Afterall, sexual orientation is based on such differentiation. But you would minimize the significance of this fact for children raised without a father — or with men downgraded to role models without parental status.

    If having a father is superfluous, why bother with male role models? On the other hand, if male role models are needed, why segregated fatherhood from motherhood?

    No, it does not suffice to say that needy adults trump the needs of children.

  18. Chairm said,

    June 27, 2009 at 5:06 am

    Chastity is not the same as loneliness. Why would you misconstrue it that way, Bill?

  19. Ross said,

    June 27, 2009 at 7:44 am

    Secular Heretic says: “Bill, same sex attraction is not normal. It is a desire which takes sexuality and twists it around so that it no longer fulfills its purpose”

    Wow, how very sad that Secular Heretic thinks the purpose of sexuality is procreation and not love. I feel bad for his spouse.

  20. Smokezero said,

    June 27, 2009 at 1:44 pm

    Actually, Ross, the purpose of sex is procreation. If we are going over purpose alone, the biological meaning behind sex is for the combination of genetic material, so that we as a species can continue to exist in the next generation. But, relying on purpose alone is the same as saying the purpose behind transportation is motion from point A to point B. There are the other pleasures behind the mode of transportation (biking, vs driving, vs walking, each containing their own separate benefits).

    I would say the same thing goes with sex in this case. The benefits of sex with two genders is that you can create children, thus fulfilling the overall purpose of sex. However, sex without love is the same as driving in a car without comforts and pleasures associated with your particular make and model of car. It gets you from point A to point B, but its not as fun, or comfortable.

    Overall however, sex has nothing to do with driving a car.

  21. June 27, 2009 at 4:04 pm

    Smokezero is right. The purpose of sex it to continue the next generation, but it’s not the only purpose. Sex also unites the spouses in a special way.

  22. Chairm said,

    June 27, 2009 at 10:29 pm

    Heh, Smokezero is right, sex has nothing to do with driving a car.

    Unless you are 16-year-old and taking your date up to Lover’s Leap. AND unless you are the father of a daughter whose 16-year-old date drives a car. And there’s the sex and cars and rock ‘n’ roll thing. And … well, I’ll stop now.

    Teach your children well.

  23. Mark said,

    June 30, 2009 at 9:05 pm

    one man +one woman = marriage.
    Psalm 14 v.1 = atheist
    sorry about the past post, I thought those articles might be helpfull for our friends.


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