NOM: New Bill to Protect Marriage in Washington D.C., Support Needed!

URGENT ALERT: Urge Congress to Support Bill to Protect Marriage!

Breaking news from Washington . . . .

9 U.S. Senators have agreed to co-sponsor a bill that would guarantee the right of DC residents to vote on same-sex marriage.

The bill will be introduced shortly and will complement a similar bill introduced in the House in January.  The House bill is HR4430, and I’ll keep you posted when the Senate Bill is introduced and assigned a number.

The next few days are crucial as we meet with legislators and seek support on Capitol Hill! We need your help right now.

Use this link to send an email to your Senators and Congressman. Tell them you want them to join as co-sponsors of the DC Marriage Initiative bill / HR4430, and even more importantly, push to ensure that the bill gets a vote on the Senate and House floors.

Sending Your Letter
The 9 Senate co-sponsors are Senators Robert Bennett (UT), Sam Brownback (KS), Jim Bunning (KY), John Cornyn (TX), Mike Enzi (WY), James Inhofe (OK), Pat Roberts (KS), David Vitter (LA), and Roger Wicker (MS).  The 2 House co-sponsors are Representatives Jason Chaffetz (UT) and Jim Jordan (OH).

When you use the link above to send your email message, you’ll see two letters. If your senator or congressman is one of the existing co-sponsors to the bill, they will receive the “Letter for Co-Sponsors.” Otherwise, your senators and congressman will receive the “Letter for All Others.”  Either way, your letter will be going to your own elected officials in Washington.  Please take a moment to personalize your letter to let your representatives in Washington know how important this issue is.

Your Voice Makes a Difference!
We face an uphill battle, and the next few days are extremely important as we gather support in Congress. NOM and Stand4MarriageDC are in meetings almost daily with various House and Senate offices, and we need your support. Your legislators need to hear not just from us, but from you — their own constituents who care about this important issue.

The Senate leadership just wants this issue to go away, and will do whatever they can to bury it in committee. That’s why every Senator needs to hear from people in his or her own state, urging him to stand up for the voting rights of DC residents.

An out-of-control city council tried to do an end run around the DC Charter, refusing to recognize the rights of DC voters to file an initiative petition on marriage. Regardless of where your representatives stand on same-sex marriage, tell them that we ought not stand for this sort of government abuse against the residents of our nation’s capital.

Tell your Senators and Congressman you want them to publicly stand for marriage and civil rights by co-sponsoring the DC Marriage Initiative Bill / HR4430. Tell them how important this issue is both for the future of marriage and for the rights of everyday citizens trying to stand up against a government machine.

Then tell them you want them to champion this issue, push for a vote, and not let Nancy Pelosi or Harry Reid bury it in some subcommittee!

Please click here to send your message to Congress today!

Then forward this message to friends and family all across the country! Together we can stand up for DC voters and make sure they have a chance to be heard on marriage!

Brian BrownFaithfully,

Brian S. Brown
Executive Director
National Organization for Marriage
20 Nassau Street, Suite 242
Princeton, NJ  08542
bbrown@nationformarriage.org

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56 Comments

  1. Lisa~ said,

    February 2, 2010 at 2:19 pm

    You know it really bugs me that we are even having to fight for this issue when the majority of Americans support natural true marriage. If a few intolerant gays can make this much trouble just imagine what we could do if we all stood up and supported what we believe in!

  2. beetlebabee said,

    February 2, 2010 at 2:56 pm

    Very true. A tireless minority bent on the destruction of the family can wreak havoc on families across the nation. Luckily, the opposite is also true. A group of marriage supporters, tirelessly dedicated to preserving marriage and families with their voices as well as their dollars can also make a huge difference.

  3. Rick DeLano said,

    February 2, 2010 at 3:40 pm

    Done.

    Next?

    I believe I’ll jes’ mosey on over and call those nine Congressmen who are co-sponsors (being from LA/Cali, I don’t even have to *check* to see if mine are on the list)…….and say *THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT OF MARRIAGE AND FREEDOM*!

  4. beetlebabee said,

    February 2, 2010 at 4:07 pm

    Awesome. They’ve stacked the deck in D.C. but I’d love to see the cause taken up in the Congress. They’re the only ones at this point who have access to the brake on this from what I understand. A friend of mine got this information from a friend working in D.C. for marriage:

    Bishop Jackson & others in DC are bringing suit before the DC Courts, but time after time they’ve been rejected. DC has some crazy Human Rights law which acts as a shield. Even though it says nothing specifically about gays or gay marriage, the pro-gay DC government is using it as some kind of “higher law” to prevent any challenges that would allow “discrimination.” I am personally frustrated with this because I’ve previously described several ways that gay marriage discriminates against other groups (Veterans, the handicapped, polygamists, bi-sexuals & single people are also discriminated against) it shows just how asinine these human rights laws are.

    At any rate, I’ve heard that Late February or early March is when the law will go into effect. I am now concerned with my state, Maryland, that is right next to DC, and is also eyeing granting marriage rights to gays. This will truly be a WAR, because on the one hand, Maryland is extremely progressive, but on the other hand, the votes are dominated by church-going African Americans. I have been working hard to alert Blacks that Obama’s pro-gay agenda is going to tear apart our community, but I am sadly not getting through. Their dedication to what they see as “the first Black President” is dominating their vision. My guess is, this is why the progressives picked him.

    At any rate, if you’d like to reach the people working on the DC Marriage fight, you can try to reach Dee Powell at: powdee@gmail.com, as she works for Bishop Jackson (thetruthinblackandwhite.com) I can’t guarantee you’ll get through, but it’s the best information I’ve got.

  5. Lisa~ said,

    February 2, 2010 at 7:39 pm

    Beetle,

    I agree and thankfully more and more people are realising what they need to do and are doing it! We will have victory.

  6. Sed Fred said,

    February 5, 2010 at 9:47 am

    Sad, but this bill will die in committee… as will your attempts to stop the inevitable.

  7. Ross said,

    February 5, 2010 at 4:12 pm

    Hopefully this win in Washington DC will be the first big win that will snowball into more SSM wins across the country. Yay DC.

  8. ssmNOW said,

    February 6, 2010 at 10:34 am

    Use this link to send an email to your Senators and Congressman. Tell them you want them to join as co-sponsors of the DC Marriage Initiative bill / HR4430, and even more importantly, push to ensure that the bill gets a vote on the Senate and House floors.

    You aint got the votes!

    Single sex marriage is coming to DC and there’s nuthin you can do to stop it.

  9. beetlebabee said,

    February 8, 2010 at 10:48 am

    Luckily, nothing is inevitable, Fred. Ross, I don’t think you believe the D.C. Council denying people the chance to vote constitutes a “big win” any more than I do. How does it feel knowing the only way your issue can win is by coercion?

  10. ssmNOW said,

    February 8, 2010 at 11:12 am

    Oh this is a big win okay, a big win for due process and just plain decency winning out against ugly mob rule. Make no mistake this is a tremendous victory for marriage equality, both symbolic and actual. DC our nation’s capitol will lead the way forward in 2010 for SSM. The system does sometimes work, the Courts and the Constitution are on our side, we will prevail.

  11. beetlebabee said,

    February 8, 2010 at 11:17 am

    Interesting that democracy only “sometimes does work” when the people’s voices are suppressed. What kind of a victory is that? It’s certainly not “the system” because “the system” is based on the democratic process, not oligarchical feudalism.

  12. ssmNOW said,

    February 8, 2010 at 11:38 am

    Did you play hookey during civics class, or do you have any aquaintance with the US Constitution? If you did you would know that the US is a constiutional republic not a democracy and is as far away from being based on oligarchical feudalism as Pluto is from this planet. The courts take their cue ultimately from the Constitution not simple majority vote. There are many issues where you simply do not get a vote one of them being civil rights. You may not like this but that is utterley irrelevant , you can stamp your feet and wail like a banshee all you like but the courts and the Constitution are on our side. Victory in DC, our great nation’s capitol!

  13. beetlebabee said,

    February 8, 2010 at 11:46 am

    SSMnow,

    Setting your rhetorical theatrics aside for a moment, it is interesting that you see the desire of a small number of people to have their relationships mislabeled as more important than the constitutionally protected right for people to choose their government and the laws they will be ruled by.

    Let’s speak clearly. You have every right I have to marry. That is the epitome of equality, but somehow that isn’t good enough for you, and you are willing to trample the rights of every citizen in D.C. in order to get your particular brand of sexuality “special rights”.

    That’s not equality.

  14. ssmNOW said,

    February 8, 2010 at 11:58 am

    Are you deliberately being obtuse or just not very bright?

    If you had even the most cursory aquaintance with US Constsutional Law or US Jurisprudence you would know that you do not get to choose what law we are ruled by. All law must pass Constitutional scrutiny regardless how many votes they receive or do not recieve otherwise its just ugly mob rule, popular laws get struck down all the time for not passing consitutional muster.

    And you had the sheer nerve and chutzpah to accuse the other side of coercion when coercion and mob rule practically defines your position. Hah!

  15. Lisa~ said,

    February 8, 2010 at 12:06 pm

    ssmnow,

    The only people I have seen stamping their feet and wailing like a banshee (and gnashing their teeth and threatening people and running naked in the streets…and I could go on and on) are the gays.

  16. ssmNOW said,

    February 8, 2010 at 12:11 pm

    And you and millions of others can label, mislabel, denigrate, name call, whatever, it dont bother me a bit. Your views on this matter mean nothing to me. Demanding and making sure my civil right are fully recognized means everything to me and I intend to make sure the Courts do just that which they have in DC!

    Its a great day for basic justice, decency and civil rights here in the nation’s capitol!

  17. beetlebabee said,

    February 8, 2010 at 12:14 pm

    And the name calling begins.

  18. ssmNOW said,

    February 8, 2010 at 12:15 pm

    In March in DC we officially become a married couple. Respectable at last!

  19. beetlebabee said,

    February 8, 2010 at 12:19 pm

    You cannot force people to respect your lifestyle choices. Respect doesn’t work that way.

  20. beetlebabee said,

    February 8, 2010 at 12:21 pm

    “The only people I have seen stamping their feet and wailing like a banshee (and gnashing their teeth and threatening people and running naked in the streets…and I could go on and on) are the gays.”

    Lisa, that was well documented in the Prop 8 case in California, as well as in Maine. Good point.

  21. ssmNOW said,

    February 8, 2010 at 12:27 pm

    Didn’t you read what I wrote, your opinion is utterley without value or meaning to me. I’m very picky who I’m friends with and set very high standards, you dont pass. What I was referring to was my immediate family and friends who are thrilled for us, in fact some family members are more excited than us! I am truly blessed with the family and friends I have and give thanks every day for them.

  22. beetlebabee said,

    February 8, 2010 at 12:39 pm

    “In March in DC we officially become a married couple. Respectable at last!”
    “Didn’t you read what I wrote, your opinion is utterley without value or meaning to me. “

    SSMnow, These two statements fundamentally conflict. The only reason for pushing for the marriage label is to force society to condone homosexuality. That is wrong. Forcing the same citizens to condone your lifestyle that you forcibly disenfranchised will only confirm in the minds of the public that the political push for SSM is open warfare against freedom.

  23. ssmNOW said,

    February 8, 2010 at 1:02 pm

    Thanks for the confirmation of innate obtuseness and being a dim bulb.

    Once again, what you condone, dont condone, approve, dont approve, etc., etc. is without significance to me. Your approval or the approval of others of your ilk and sanction for my life is neither requested, needed nor wanted. Feel free to disapprove, condemn, criticize, lecture, yada, yada, yada, dont mean a thing to me. All that’s important is my civil rights here in DC are being officially recognized and protected by the law and the courts. That that ticks you off is merely icing on the cake! Will toast a glass of champagne in your memory at the Wedding in March, not to honor you understand but in recognition of another victory in the march of progress towards basic justice, decency and fairness for all under US Law and the Constitution.

  24. Alicynx said,

    February 8, 2010 at 2:30 pm

    Really? Seriously?
    There is nothing ‘natural’ about marriage. To change your statement ever so slightly:

    “If a few intolerant blacks can make this much trouble just imagine what we could do if we all stood up and supported what we believe in!”

    Its a slippery slope, and regardless of whether or not you approve of their ‘lifestyle’, you cannot use the Constitution to discriminate against people, period.
    Something to chew on – if you’re truly championing the sanctity of marriage, are you calling for the banning of divorce? What if you became a member of a minority, say your religion, and states began defining what rights you have based on that ‘lifestyle’? Religion is a choice (while sexual orientation is not), and yet it is protected. Remember that you can always be kicked out of the majority, and who’s gonna champion your cause then?

  25. beetlebabee said,

    February 8, 2010 at 2:31 pm

    I’m sorry SSMnow, that you appear to feel threatened by my disagreement with you so much that you are unable to maintain a simple conversation without resorting to personal attacks. I intend no ill will towards you and hope you do eventually find true happiness.

  26. beetlebabee said,

    February 8, 2010 at 2:36 pm

    Alicynx,

    The analogy with race is a false one. Race is immutable, not a lifestyle choice. Your skin color does not wash off when the parade is over. There will always be differences of opinion on what lifestyle choices are healthier. What you believe is a choice. You apparently believe that acting out homosexually is a great choice for you. You are welcome to that opinion. What you are not welcome to do is impose that belief on anyone else.

  27. ssmNOW said,

    February 8, 2010 at 2:40 pm

    Dont feel the slightest bit threatened by you, how could I be, after all the courts and the law here are on my side. And as for happiness have already found it.

  28. ssmNOW said,

    February 8, 2010 at 2:45 pm

    “You are welcome to that opinion. What you are not welcome to do is impose that belief on anyone else.”

    Nobody is imposing anything on you, please feel free to continue to believe anything you wish. You, on the other hand will not be imposing your beliefs on how and under what circumstances my private decisions and living arrangements are recognized by the civil authorities here in DC. That is simply not going to happen.

  29. beetlebabee said,

    February 8, 2010 at 2:56 pm

    SSMnow,

    Marriage law is not based on opinion. SSM however, is. That is the problem. Marriage is the foundational block of society, the most basic unit of civilization and has been since the beginning of recorded history and beyond. The veracity and effectiveness of marriage has been time tested and proven through countless independently evolving societies and cultures. It’s not simply an opinion. There is no comparison.

  30. ssmNOW said,

    February 8, 2010 at 3:09 pm

    You can parrot out that same tired old rhetoric all you want, the courts aint buyin it and they ultimately with deferenece to the US Constitution will decide this matter. And the plaintiff’s evidence just given in court on prop 8 will be the start of your undoing, the courts will give due deference and weight to expert testimony from established academics and scholars not hacks from agenda driven religious groups.

    Nothing is being imposed on you at all, nada, rien, nuthin’.

    Talk about hypocrisy, you are the one that wants to codify their beliefs into law and impose them on everyone else. Aint gonna happen.

  31. beetlebabee said,

    February 8, 2010 at 3:21 pm

    SSMnow,

    Actually, the courts by and large do support marriage and for all the same reasons I have listed. What I would like to hear from you is why you think SSM could ever be the same as marriage.

  32. ssmNOW said,

    February 8, 2010 at 3:39 pm

    If you think I’m interested in justifying my most private and personal decisions to the likes of you you’re dreamin’, you obviously weren’t paying attention when I wrote I dont give a fig what you think of my living arrangements in any meaningful way at all. All I’m interested in is demanding and getting my civil rights officially recognized by the authorities .

    And you’re also in fantasy world if you think the higher courts are on your side, but please if it comforts you, continue to believe that.

    MA, IA, NH, CT, VT and soon to be DC! is all I’m going to say to that! And it was a unanimous decision by a “conservative” State Supreme Court in IA. But please, if you want to think the courts are on your side I will indulge you here, at least until reality sets in at some point at your end.

  33. beetlebabee said,

    February 8, 2010 at 4:02 pm

    SSMnow,

    I’m not sure why you believe I am interested in your personal life. In fact, far from it. What I am interested in is the ideas behind the issue. Why is SSM the same as marriage in your view? You’ve repeated your unsubstantiated views but provided no facts, nothing but what amounts to repeated gay activist dogma. I simply asked for your reasoning.

    “All I’m interested in is demanding and getting…”

    At least on this one point, we agree.

  34. ssmNOW said,

    February 8, 2010 at 4:12 pm

    I’m not even interested in debate, just interested in demanding my civil rights and DC has come through for us. And if you really dont understand why two people want to have their relationship officially recognized under the banner of marriage with all that that entails then I fear I cannot help you. What you personally think of the arrangement is irrelevant to me.

  35. ssmNOW said,

    February 8, 2010 at 4:19 pm

    The idea that recognition of civil rights or the withholding of civil rights is up for some kind of rarified philisophical debate is laughable. I dont request my civil rights. I demand them.

  36. Lisa~ said,

    February 8, 2010 at 5:41 pm

    SSM,

    “If you think I’m interested in justifying my most private and personal decisions to the likes of you you’re dreamin’, you obviously weren’t paying attention when I wrote I dont give a fig what you think of my living arrangements in any meaningful way at all”

    AKA

    I really can’t give any facts on how homo “marriage” is the same as real marriage. Also if you “don’t give a fig” then why do you keep coming back and “wailing like a banshee” to every comment Beetle makes?

  37. ssmNOW said,

    February 8, 2010 at 5:45 pm

    “I’m not sure why you believe I am interested in your personal life. In fact, far from it. What I am interested in is the ideas behind the issue. Why is SSM the same as marriage in your view? You’ve repeated your unsubstantiated views but provided no facts, nothing but what amounts to repeated gay activist dogma. I simply asked for your reasoning. ”

    Nothing I said was unsubstantiated. You said the US was a democracy. It isn’t, its a constitutional republic and I corrected you.

    You said citizens in the US get to vote on what laws they live under. They do not. All laws in the US must pass constitutional scrutiny, popular or not. I corrected you here as well.

    You said I was using coercion to impose my beliefs on you. Wrong again. Nothing at all is being imposed on you. Feel free to believe anything you wish. I corrected you once again and pointed out your hypocrisy since it is you that wants to codify your beliefs into law and deny civil rights for others.

    You claimed the higher courts were on your side. Again, I corrected you, providing examples of higher courts that state denial of marriage to same sex couples violates legal principles of due process and equal protection clauses.

    There is no “gay activist dogma” in the above just basic facts concerning the fundamental politcal philosophy underpinning US legal and civil institutions and US Constitutional Law. If you can discern “gay dogma” as you call it in any of this I truly dont know what to say!

  38. beetlebabee said,

    February 8, 2010 at 6:13 pm

    Pro SSM court rulings are so rare you can count them on one hand….maybe three fingers if you take out the reversed California court decision.

    The reality is that there is nothing in the constitution, the principles of democracy, the eons of history, mother nature, evolution or the vast majority of court rulings on marriage that support your hypothesis that marriage and SSM are in fact, equal. It is a completely unsupported belief, whereas marriage and family are well documented, time tested and proven to aid in the creation of stable families and stable societies. The claim for “equality” is not based on merit, it’s based on false ideas that gender doesn’t matter.

    Just assume for a moment that you have all the rights that I have, since that actually is the case. What then would you base your claim to inequality? The fact that you don’t like your options? That is not covered by marriage law, nor should it be. While I empathize for your unhappiness with marriage, your personal feelings and desires are not of themselves sufficient to warrant all the consequences to society that follow the neutering of society.

    Advancing social change through the use of activist courts does indeed coerce a free people. Courts are not to create law, but to interpret it. Activist courts in Massachusetts, California and Connecticut and Iowa had to divorce marriage from procreation, family and society in order to come to their twisted conclusions. They had to ignore the fact that homosexuality is based on behavior, not immutable qualities, and they had to ignore the beneficial relationship between marriage and children. All that has consequences. Whether you choose to see them or not, the consequences to children, families and society are real.

    Consequences to basic freedoms are also endangered. You need look no further than Judge Vaughn Walker or Catholic Charities to begin to see that.

  39. ssmNOW said,

    February 8, 2010 at 6:54 pm

    Dream on.

    The courts will decide this and when we go to court we win.

    Your version of mob rule law will not prevail, the courts just summarily reject your unconstitutional, anti-civil rights ranting, as they should.

    But dream on, you’ve already lost you just dont know it.

    Meanwhile by the end of March we will just like any other married couple here in DC, enjoying all the benefits that this important, vital institution can offer us.

    Great!

    Far from being unhappy I’m thrilled.

    I demanded my rights be recognized and they were!

    Ain’t this counrty great!

  40. Chairm said,

    February 9, 2010 at 5:44 am

    BB said that our system of governance is based on democracy. That is a factually correct statement that the SSMer claimed to have “corrected” with the trite and flawed remark that our system is not a democracy but rather a constitutional republic.

    The system is a constitutional republic based on democratic principles. Indeed, it is the founding set of democratic principles that gives coherence to the Constitution and republicanism in each state of the union as per the requirements of entry of new states into the union and as per requirements of good governance that have been reaffirmed in constitutional jurisprudence.

    Elections, the three branches of government, the political liberties, the rule of law, federalism, and all of the framework that the Constitution provides is based on democracy and majority rule. Those states with provisions for direct democracy recognize that the People are a check on the three branches of government and that the People can legitimately perform direct legislative acts as well as acts of constitution-making.

    Taken together, this is evidence that the SSMer has presented a false dichotomy between our democracy and our constitutional republic.

    Even the Massachusetts high court had to concede as much in the political and legal conflict over the amending process of that state’s constitution. Even the California high court had to concede as much in its ruling that the CA marriage amendment is constitutional. And, eventually, so will the US Supreme Court — and the US Congress, too — in the case of the DC Charter.

    Our system is not based on the supremacy of the judiciary. It is not based on judges imposing their subjective view of social policy. It is not based on minority rule. It is not based on setting Government against the People. Quite the contrary.

    The courtcentric SSM campaign is based on the abuse of judicial review and on the demands of minority rule in one form or another.

    The state courts which imposed SSM have done so through brazen abuse of judicial review. None did it with a principled basis that could sustain treating the gay subset of the nonmarriage category as more worthy or special than the rest of the people in that category. The pro-SSM legal reasoning offered is weak, narrow, and intellectually dishonest. It depends on the assertion of supremacy in the name of gay identity politics.

    Such court decisions are sadly reminiscent of the past: the pressing into marriage of gay identity politics is closely analogous with the imposition of white supremacy and racialist identity politics that our system of government dismantled and repudiated quite some time ago. Hardline SSMers seek to revive the supremacy of identity politics and really don’t care about making substantive arguments.

    Namecalling is the first resort of SSM argumentation, as has been amply illustrated in pro-SSM comments in this very discussion. It is an anti-democratic, anti-constitution, anti-republic demand that, as etrenched in the stated opinion of hardline gay activists, that political demand is not really about justice but rather about “just us”.

    This shows their utter reliance on dogma and the rhetoric of identity politics, just as BB noted earlier.

    The SSMer’s views, as expressed upthread, belies a pronounced pro-gay bigotry and a flagrant inability and incomptence to participate in honest and civil public discourse.

    The SSMer readily confessed ignorance and a lack of anything substantive to say: “If you can discern ‘gay dogma’ as you call it in any of this I truly dont know what to say!”

  41. Lisa~ said,

    February 9, 2010 at 5:51 am

    I can’t wait too see how ssmnow answers this comment.

  42. ssmNOW said,

    February 11, 2010 at 10:50 am

    I’ve already corrected the egregious errors made by this blogger, you merely repeat them so will waste no further time responding to your ineffectual piffle.

    I have the only thing that matters on my side, DC Law and DC Courts. By the end of March we will be officially married and enjoying all the benefits this great tradition called marriage confers. Next on the list is either adoption (yes we are after the children) or surrogacy ( already have some offers). This is going to be a great year, we are both very, very excited.

    Hear the latest attempts to overturn marriage equality have failed in IA and NH. Justice and decency continue to prevail.

    SSM is here to stay.

    Get used to it.

    Or dont.

    Whatever.

  43. Chairm said,

    February 11, 2010 at 1:01 pm

    So, in other words, you concede your previous remarks are factually incorrect.

  44. Lisa~ said,

    February 11, 2010 at 3:02 pm

    In other words he cannot explain his side properly so he verbally runs in circles hoping to distract from his lack of facts, knowledge and sense.

    SSm. Explain why homosexuality was considered a mental illness?

  45. Rosss said,

    February 12, 2010 at 3:33 pm

    Lisa, explain why homosexuality is no longer considered a mental illness.

  46. beetlebabee said,

    February 12, 2010 at 8:01 pm

    Rosss, you and I both know about the politicking of the APA. It’s long history, and notably embarrassing for your side since science had nothing to do with the decision. Why would you want Lisa to regurgitate it yet again for you here? Even now the APA is still floundering on their position on homosexuality. They’ve been preaching for years the gay dogma that there is a gay gene, only to finally come to terms with science what was it, six months ago? Last year? Their only redeeming moment was when they corrected themselves on the normalization of pedophilia…..

  47. Lisa~ said,

    February 12, 2010 at 8:26 pm

    I love how you dodge and weave very single question asked of you that you have no concrete answer for. I’m embarrassed for you.

  48. Rosss said,

    February 13, 2010 at 7:40 am

    Lisa, your question wasnt directed at me.

    Beetle, there is obviously still a lot to understand about homosexuality. The general consensus these days seems to imply that homosexuality, much like handedness, is a mix of nature and nurture. Genetics and environment. The world is sadly not black and white, right and wrong..there are shades of gray to everything.

  49. ssmNOW said,

    February 13, 2010 at 10:51 am

    Ross, its great.

    I get to be insane, have the full backing of the law and courts here for my marriage, get to start the adoption process or go for surrogacy-more potential converts for the gay lifestyle!

    Its like having my cake and eating it and going to Disneyland all at the same time.

    Ain’t this a great country or what!

  50. Lisa~ said,

    February 14, 2010 at 9:23 am

    Ross, I was speaking of ALL the questions directed at you.

  51. Lisa~ said,

    February 14, 2010 at 9:27 am

    SSMnow,

    wow did you go back and read your last post? You’re insane and you want to convert a child into a homosexual? So your implying that it’s not a natural thing then?

    Convert: to turn to another or a particular use or purpose; divert from the original or intended use.

    Gods made all of us straight. Homosexuality is a choice. Well said!

  52. ssmNOW said,

    February 19, 2010 at 5:25 am

    Great news!

    I’m sure you’ll be thrilled to know. Same sex marriages in DC are scheduled to start in DC on the 2nd March.

    This is wonderful, the forces of bigotry and intolerance have been defeated.

    Justice, decency and fairness have prevailed.

    This is indeed a great start for 2010.

    I’m sure judge Walker will strike down prop 8 and meanwhile here its onward for SSM in MD.

  53. Lisa~ said,

    February 19, 2010 at 10:03 am

    Yet again you ignore what you can’t answer… Nothing sinful will prevail. it may seem that way but in the end it will not win.

  54. ssmNOW said,

    February 19, 2010 at 5:10 pm

    There’s nothing to answer. By the way the God talk has precisely zero traction with me. I’m an extremely devout atheist.

  55. beetlebabee said,

    March 2, 2010 at 3:48 pm

    SSM, I think you’ve made it clear that you are an atheist, as well as a supporter of SSM, however, that does not preclude others from speaking to their particular beliefs, just as you have (repeatedly) done.

  56. Lisa~ said,

    March 2, 2010 at 3:56 pm

    There is something to answer. you said you wanted to convert a child to a homo, and that means that he is going to be forced in a way, into what you are. So where is the “i’m born this way” argument in that?

    And FYI just because you choose not to believe in God doesn’t mean he doesn’t exist.


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