New York is the new California: Fast and Pray

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God Can Do Mighty Things If We Ask

A while back, a friend from New York (who wants to remain anonymous) asked for help organizing an event. She is Christian, and wanted an event that would join Christians all across New York in prayer to change hearts. I think her approach is important.

At some point, hearts need to be changed so that truth is more easily seen.

There were many prayer events in California during the prop 8 campaign, and we saw real-life miracles. Lots of miracles, actually, leading up to the passage of prop 8 and then the CA supreme court decision.

A neutered marriage bill has already passed the NY assembly, and only five members in the senate block its passage there. [read bb’s post here] Prayer can help strengthen those who have already said they will not neuter marriage, and may change the hearts of others.

So! My friend finished the facebook event. She is asking Christians (though I would say anyone who believes in a higher and creative power) to pray and fast for marriage.

New York can use all the prayers possible, so please participate (and invite your facebook friends). The outcome in New York will likely effect many other decisions state and federal. Including the DOMA. 

Join Here: Fast and Pray New York

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New York’s Jason McGuire on Voice of the Nation

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Voice of the Nation

Family Values Blog Talk Radio

This Thursday Live at 2pm PST

On Thursday: Voice of the Nation will be giving updates on what is happening on the marriage front including the start of the People’s Veto in Maine, and the newest fight opening up this week in New York.  Joining us this week to talk about the situation in New York is Jason McGuire, Legislative Director at  New Yorkers for Constitutional Freedom and Chief Operating Officer of the NYFRF (NY Family Research Foundation).

Jason served as a pastor for eleven years but felt compelled to leave the pulpit to represent families and Christian values at the state level.  He currently works to influence and support legislators and family friendly legislation through the NY Assembly and Senate.

In the face of a culture that is becoming overtly secular and hostile to religious values, Jason believes that Christian churches must speak up concerning the moral issues with which our culture is contending.  Jason and his wife Lorenne were married in 1996 and have four children.

Open Chat and Call lines: We’ll be taking your questions via online chat during the show and if you want to ask your own questions, feel free to call in!  347- 215-6801.

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Call in to VOICE OF THE NATION every Thursday at 2pm PST.  The call-in number is

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Consequences of Freedom of Speech on Religion

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Post Show Thoughts on Freedom of Speech

Today on “Voice of the Nation”, we had Brian Brown from NOM on the show.  That guy is a firehose!  I have to say it never ceases to amaze me that after six months of beetle blogging, there are STILL things I have not heard of or considered regarding the fight for marriage.

Here’s what got me thinking today.  I of course, listen to the show after it’s over to take note of how this or that went, make mental notes of what to try next time etc.  Well today it took me three times through the show….Mr. Beetle came home and wanted to hear it also, so I actually heard the show at total of three times and finally, the third time through I had to actually stop the audio and bounce what I’d heard off Mr. Beetle because frankly it hit me like a ton of bricks.

Here’s what it was:  In San Francisco about a month, perhaps two months ago, they released a study that showed that no politician who voted for gay marriage ever lost his position as an elected representative of the people, in fact, not only was that the case, but often the politician’s electability actually INCREASED.  Now, at the time, this was big news to me.  How could the good people of my state and others continue time and again to elect people who kept their own agenda and not the people’s while in office when it came to family values issues?

Well, this is where the ton of bricks hit.  I had made a comment on the show about the gracious nature of family oriented people,  somehow good Christian, religious folk just didn’t have it in their hearts to hold people down to a standard.  Too much “turn the other cheek” to be effective legislative watchdogs.  Well, yeah, maybe there’s that, maybe it’s apathy, or maybe it’s that we’re busy toting kids to soccer practice instead of watching to make sure our families are safe from government— but Brian Brown took a different angle and he took his time getting there but when he did, it really hit home.  It was intimidation.  Our people are being intimidated into not saying anything.  The silent majority is silent because of brute intimidation.  Here’s how it plays out:

The groups that care about family values are churches, naturally.  Churches, church affiliated groups, those are the core groups that fight for and pass legislation in favor of families and values.  BUT when it comes to politicians, there is a limitation for these religious nonprofits.  They cannot point the finger and say, This man did not hold up to what he said he would, he ought to be thrown out!  Because!  If they did, they would be crossing the line with the IRS and they would lose their tax exempt status.

One entire section of the population is completely muzzled by the threat of suffering punitive monetary damages if they speak.  These are the most organized on our side.  The ones who have the most at stake in the moral arena.

Curtailing the free speech of religious institutions is an outrage.  What is the reason?  Separation of Church and State?  No way.  If anything, controlling with threats of exorbitant fines is no less interference than if POTUS was crowned by the Pope himself.

If you limit the religious voice in the political arena, the natural consequence is for morality to suffer and secularism to flourish.

How is it that we’ve allowed our government to muzzle our churches?

—Beetle Blogger

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After The Ball–The Eyes Have It

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Proposition 8 Secret Weapon Triumphs Over The Gay Agenda

The activist gay agenda failed in California, at least for now.  There are a lot of people on the news running around, angrily pointing fingers and screaming angry epithets about Mormons and second class citizenship.  Yes on 8 was outsmarted and outspent, they were losing in the polls….why did gay marriage fail if the cause was so just?  Gay activists had the ball, how could they have lost it?  Was it really the Mormons’ fault?  Gay marriage is a civil right!  What cause is more just than that?

The rhetoric of the gay community is utterly appealing.  As a conscientious Christian, no one wants to be on the wrong side of scripture verses, or in the bigger picture, the wrong side of history.  I admit, the whole civil rights angle had me perplexed for quite some time, but the idea that behavior is a right is ultimately wrong.  The painting of an entire state in shades of bigotry, though rhetorically appealing, wasn’t plausible.  I don’t feel like a hate filled bigot, do you?  Doesn’t look like a bigot, doesn’t feel like a bigot…must not be a bigot, right?  I even looked it up in the dictionary just to be sure I was being objective.  Honestly though, the rhetoric is brilliant.

It took me some study to figure out just exactly what part of the righteous sounding argument was twisted, but it finally came through.  The wholesale selling of our country on the idea that behavior is a right was first introduced in the published gay activist agenda, titled “After the Ball.”

I’ve heard many in the gay community say,  “Agenda??? We don’t have an Agenda!!”  To you I say, let’s be honest.  We all have an agenda.

The gay agenda was basically laid out in the late 1980s in the book called “After the Ball,” by Marshal Kirk and Hunter Madsen.  It is a six-point plan for how they could transform the beliefs of ordinary Americans with regard to homosexual behavior from abhorrence to acceptance — in a decade-long time frame.

What?  Never heard of it?   I bet it’ll sound familiar once you read it, since it’s the source of the rhetorical twists California has been deluged with for the last several months.  There are six main points to the plan:

1. “Talk about gays and gayness as loudly and as often as possible.” That was aimed at making people so tired of the issue they would want to give them anything they want to make them shut up.
2. “Portray gays as victims, not as aggressive challengers.” They have demonized the beliefs of Christians who have taken a biblical stand on homosexual behavior — people who have love and compassion for those trapped in that behavior.
3. “Give homosexual protectors a just cause.” That was designed to tap into and exploit the almost innate sense of fairness that Americans have; to the sympathy that we have — especially liberals have — for those who seem to be disenfranchised.
4. “Make gays look good.” That’s what they’ve done through media campaigns, through television programs, like “Will and Grace” and others, where homosexuals are portrayed as the most normal, stable people in America.
5. “Make the victimizers look bad.” They portray people of faith — people who have legitimate and biblical reasons to oppose homosexual behavior — as homophobes and bigots. They also try to “muddy the moral waters” by getting liberal churches, many of which have thrown out a great deal of the Bible, to say that homosexual behavior is just fine from a theological perspective.
6. “Get funds from corporate America.” In fact, they have. They have gotten corporate America to sign on to their agenda, and it is very interesting how far their moral influence has spread through use of corporate funding.

Perhaps if every single point of the published gay agenda had not been pushed into near fruition you might have some ground to stand on in claiming these authors, and others like them, had no influence over the gay community. As it is, the only shocking thing is that we haven’t seen it sooner. My eyes have been pried wide open by this election fight.

Any objective observer can see the eerie prescience of “After the Ball.” The strategy was and is, brilliant.

Honestly I wish we had such stratagem on our side, but we don’t. Now, first I have to say that we couldn’t have done it without the tremendous support of the ethnic groups in this state.  Blacks especially supported us in some places by 70%, but they did that on their own.  People of color in my circle of friendship weren’t interested in campaigning, and our Hispanic brothers and sisters looked at us like we were campaigning to keep the sky blue.  They knew what they knew and didn’t see what the big issue was.  That’s just not something we could have planned on.  Kudos to the communities in this state that still remember family values, it’s our white communities we struggled with.  As far as sheer strategy though?  I’ve heard a lot of talk about the “Mormons” “interfering” in the election.  Well let me tell you, there were a lot of Mormons in the coalition, but that wasn’t all.  Perhaps they were part of the secret weapon, but what was that secret weapon?  Good people.

California’s Secret Weapon–Plain Good People

The one thing pro-family groups have that can’t be beat are their armies of smiling, happy people who are honestly living their lives, and it shows.  In contrast with what we’ve seen the last three days parading through our streets, that’s where our brilliance is. It’s in our eyes and faces, more than our strategy.

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Our brilliance is in the goodness of our souls. It shows through in our eyes.

You can’t buy the kind of advertising the public saw when teenagers decked out in black drag and piercings  with their “No on 8″ banners gave for proposition 8.  It really makes a contrast.  That was the first troubled clue as to who was supporting gay marriage.  The other was their behavior.  Vandalism, anger, rage….it was in their eyes.  No one can hide the bitter anger of the gay community.  That bitter anger is not from the righteous oppression of religion as they would have everyone believe.  It is because as the scriptures say, “wickedness never was happiness.”  It is that simple.

It is the great lie of our generation that you can do as you please and find happiness.  Happiness is not in bowing to slavish selfish desires.  It is in living your life loving and serving others.  Look in someone’s eyes.  You can see the contents of the soul there.

I’ve heard ad nauseum about the hatefulness, bigotry and horrible oppression of those who oppose gay marriage.  I will grant that there are some who are just as dark of conscience as any, but those are by far the exception.  You can see it in their eyes as well.  No matter how hard you try, you can’t lighten the windows of a soul steeped in misery.

One woman stopped her car at one of the waves we attended and thrust out a check to the nearest person who looked to be in charge.  “Here!” she said, “I’ve been watching both sides of the issue (the no’s were on the other side of the street), and you guys are just awesome.  I know it’s late in the game but take my donation and keep up the good work!”

This time we did it.  We came together, showed our solidarity and our strength, next time will we see it coming as clearly?  Today our eyes are open.  Keep vigilant.  We have the ball, but the game isn’t over.

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For more on the activist gay agenda see Activist Michael Swift’s strongly worded article:

Michael Swift: “Gay Revolutionary”

from Gay Community News, Feb. 15-21, 1987

on how he envisions the ideal world for gays….not for the faint of heart:

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/pwh/swift1.html

Gay Pride and Religious Prejudice–Prop 8 Rage

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LDS Temple Targeted for Prop 8 Rage Protest in Westwood

Gay and lesbian ‘No on proposition 8′ demonstrators gathered at the LDS Temple in Westwood tonight to protest the will of the people in passing proposition 8, singling out the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints for their support of proposition 8.  The swelling crowd of loud and sometimes riotous protesters spread across Santa Monica Blvd, blocking traffic and forcing the temple to close.

A website established by Proposition 8 opponents used campaign data to specifically track Mormon political contributions to the Yes-on-8 campaign. Opponents estimated that members of the church had given more than $20 million dollars to the effort church officials promoted as crucial for the preservation of the family.

Critics of the website noted that Mormons had been unfairly singled out since the religious affiliations of other political donors were not researched.

Los Angeles interfaith leaders voiced their support for the LDS church this afternoon, saying: “The peaceful faiths, families, educators, activists, and community servants who make up the protect Marriage Coalition are saddened to hear of the continued targeted attacks on the Mormon people during and after the conclusion of this fair and certified election. Like many churches, the family is the anchor of the LDS faith and it is no surprise that its members in California joined other faiths in giving everything they had to Proposition 8.

Mormon church spokesman Keith Atkinson said individual members were encouraged to support proposition 8, but the church made no institutional donations.

Police Department spokeswoman April Harding estimated that about 1,000 people came to the Westwood protest.  Some estimates were over 2,000 as the evening wore on.  Sign-waving demonstrators spilled into the lanes of Santa Monica Boulevard, bringing rush hour traffic to a near halt.

Threats to the temple abounded online as angry activists advocated burning it to the ground.  One observer who was filming the event, talks about overhearing plans to burn the temple as she films protesters climbing the walls and waving their arms from high atop the temple property.  The temple here in Westwood is the largest LDS Temple in all of California, second only to the Great Salt Lake Temple in size.  Police were able to keep tight control of the event which had no permit or permission from the city for a demonstration.  Temple property was trashed and defaced along the outside wall, but the main structure was protected.  Seven arrests were made during the course of the event.

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Los Angeles LDS Temple

LDS Church Responds to Same-Sex
Marriage Votes


Since Proposition 8 was placed on the ballot in June of this year, the citizens of California have considered the arguments for and against same-sex marriage. After extensive debate between those of different persuasions, voters have chosen to amend the California State Constitution to state that marriage should be between a man and a woman.

Voters in Arizona and Florida took the same course and amended their constitutions to establish that marriage will continue to be between a man and a woman.

Such an emotionally charged issue concerning the most personal and cherished aspects of life — family, identity, intimacy and equality — stirs fervent and deep feelings.

Most likely, the election results for these constitutional amendments will not mean an end to the debate over same-sex marriage in this country.

We hope that now and in the future all parties involved in this issue will be well informed and act in a spirit of mutual respect and civility toward those with a different position.   No one on any side of the question should be vilified, intimidated, harassed or subject to erroneous information.

It is important to understand that this issue for the Church has always been about the sacred and divine institution of marriage — a union between a man and a woman.

Allegations of bigotry or persecution made against the Church were and are simply wrong.  The Church’s opposition to same-sex marriage neither constitutes nor condones any kind of hostility toward gays and lesbians.  Even more, the Church does not object to rights for same-sex couples regarding hospitalization and medical care, fair housing and employment rights, or probate rights, so long as these do not infringe on the integrity of the traditional family or the constitutional rights of churches.

Some, however, have mistakenly asserted that churches should not ever be involved in politics when moral issues are involved.  In fact, churches and religious organizations are well within their constitutional rights to speak out and be engaged in the many moral and ethical problems facing society.  While the Church does not endorse candidates or platforms, it does reserve the right to speak out on important issues.

Channel 4 News Coverage–The Voice of the People

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It’s not just about love

It’s not just about love

As I watch the ads go by, one way and another, I’m forced to ask myself, do we really know what sorts of consequences will come from altering the traditional definition of marriage?

If we allow the gay lobby to define the gay marriage moral issue as a civil rights issue, those fundamental social changes that came with other civil rights will inevitably follow. Will those of us with differing opinions on marriage now be discriminated against? Are we so naïve as to think that once something is deemed a “civil right” that it will have a lesser effect on society than any other civil right?

My sister Christina, recently stood up as a private citizen in support of traditional marriage and was immediately targeted by activists in the gay community.  She got hate mail at her house, that for weeks has continued.  Who would do that?  It’s unfathomable to me, but that’s not the worst of it.  They looked up her name and her husband’s name online and found her photography business information.  Her business was inundated with requests to perform her photography services at gay weddings in direct opposition to her beliefs, with the threat of discrimination lawsuits if she refused. This new “civil right” protection trumps her right to religion and free speech in the law.

Personally, I don’t see Proposition 8 taking anything away from civil unions or partner laws. I see Proposition 8 as separate from the gay issue. It’s more about legal protection for those of us who would rather have private matters be private and who wish to preserve our own free speech and freedom of religion rights. To see the issue as just an issue of “love” ignores the legal behemoth that attends it.

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Whether You Like It Or Not–My needs above yours

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My needs above yours…at any cost.

In my post, “It’s Not Just About Love” I brought up the idea that there are more intentions, more drives at play with the same sex marriage debate than just love.  There is more at stake as well, but for a moment I want to focus on the intentions, the goals of the gay movement.  They say it’s just about love, but I think it’s about affirmation and acceptance, about domination of ideas, my needs above yours at any cost.

Our friends in the gay community ask us to accept changing the definition of marriage from one man and one woman, because their heart’s desires are excluded.  Are we unfair?  Biased?  Bigoted?  Homophobic?  No.  The idea that desires sometimes go unmet for the greater good is part of life for responsible adults.  Gay marriage at the expense of our children’s development, and our social stability is not a responsible path.  If my heart’s desire is to two partners, I am free to act on that desire, but I am not free to call it marriage, no matter how much I may want it and feel lost without it.  The consequences for society are too great.

It seems that there is a need in the gay community for affirmation, for society to stop “looking down” on the gay lifestyle.  There is a tendency to blame all the misery they feel, and the harm they do to themselves and others on society because their lifestyle choices are not morally accepted in society.  Somehow everything is supposed to change, people will be happy,  once they’re accepted.  How does changing the definition of marriage all of a sudden bring the light of happiness into a same sex couple’s life like we’re being told it will?  It doesn’t.

I’ve made enough mistakes in my life to know, that just because someone says what I’m doing is ok, it doesn’t make the guilt I feel go away.  People have no effect on God’s laws.  If it’s wrong now, it will still be wrong even if all the courts in the land say it’s not.  Morality is not peer driven.  Does the gay community believe their misery will be lifted if we’re all affirming their lifestyle by inclusion?  The guilt will not go away, it will just spread as we include our children in the sphere of exposure.  If you’re not happy now, changing the definition of marriage won’t make you happy either.

Here’s an article that was amazing to read because of it’s source.

Gay Talk Show Host Opposes Gay Marriage

by Al Rantel

“…Forcing a change to an institution as fundamental and established by civilization as marriage is deemed by gay activists and other cultural liberals as the equivalent of the Good Housekeeping seal of approval for homosexuality itself. The reasoning goes that if someone can marry someone of the same sex then being gay is as acceptable and normal as being short or tall. While I certainly do not think people should be judged by who they choose to love or how they choose to live their lives, the cultural liberals in America are after more than that. They want to force others to accept their social view, and declare all those who might have an objection to their social agenda to be bigots, racists, and homophobes to be scorned and forced into silence.

The gay left has still not matured into a position of self-empowerment, but is still committed by and large to the idea that the rest of society must bless being gay in every way imaginable. This includes public parades in all major cities to remind everyone else of what some people like to do in their private bedrooms while in the same breath demanding to be left alone…”

Juxtapose that with the following statement by Mayor Newsom in his now famous video clip about the doors being wide open, whether we like it or not… and the point is really brought home for me, that this truly is about more than love.  It’s about a lot of things, primarily putting the needs of a few above the good of the whole….Whether you like it or not.

Warning from the UK–Don’t follow our lead

Enough! No More Ground!

The more I’m involved in this campaign, the more I see the face of the other side, the more I realize, these are not your average happy go lucky people with merely a different opinion.  There are elements of the Gay movement that are out for blood.  It’s these activist groups that persuade us to hand over more and more of our rights.  I’m realizing that even if we win this thing in California….this issue isn’t beaten.  It’s only the beginning.  We’ve got to fight for a constitutional amendment at the federal level.  Winning California will give us the momentum we need to launch a national campaign.  We need to do it.

I think the groundwork has been laid in the California fight for a huge nationwide backlash against the gay rights movement. We are feeling the tide turning out here in the trenches.  We are going to win this thing.  We’ve been out in the streets, in our neighborhoods and I can feel the wind shifting in our favor.  The support is growing, the tide is changing.  It’s incredible.

We’ve got to do more of what we’ve been doing….but get it going at a national level.  Talk about it to our neighbors, write about it to the editors of our newspapers. The gay lobby has incredible amounts of money, but we have numbers on our side. The vast majority of the US wants no part of gay marriage in their state. If proposition 8 passes in California, we will have a mandate that could help turn the tide in our favor. We should use that momentum to get a constitutional amendment to the US Constitution. If we leave the decision up to the Supreme Court, there is a chance that it would lose and the price is too high to risk that. We’d see all fifty states fall at once if the Supreme Court went left on us.

The only way to protect this nation is to specify the obvious—marriage is between a man and a woman— only on a national level. The voters will support it, the question is if our legislators will support it. The longer we wait on the issue though, the slimmer our chances get. Awareness is growing now. Now is the time to move on it.

Come Stand With Us!

The Activist’s Agenda

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The Homosexual Agenda

Author: Alan Sears, Craig Osten

Q. Craig, with the recent Supreme Court decision in Lawrence v. Texas, and an expected decision from the Supreme Judicial Court of Massachusetts that could create gay “marriage” on American shores, the whole idea of same-sex marriage has come front-and-center in American life. But isn’t same-sex “marriage” just one part of the homosexual agenda?

A. Yes it is. The agenda of homosexual activists is basically to change America from what they perceive as looking down on homosexual behavior, to the affirmation of and societal acceptance of homosexual behavior.

It is an agenda that they basically set in the late 1980s, in a book called “After the Ball,” where they laid out a six-point plan for how they could transform the beliefs of ordinary Americans with regard to homosexual behavior — in a decade-long time frame.

Q. Now, wait a minute. We hear all the time from gay activists that “there is no such thing” as a gay agenda. They snicker at the very idea.

A. But there is an agenda. They admit it privately, but they will not say that publicly. In their private publications, homosexual activists make it very clear that there is an agenda. The six-point agenda that they laid out in 1989 was explicit:

1. “Talk about gays and gayness as loudly and as often as possible.” That was aimed at making people so tired of the issue they would want to give them anything they want to make them shut up.

2. “Portray gays as victims, not as aggressive challengers.” That’s why they exploited things like the tragic murder of Matthew Shepard. It was a tragic murder, yet they have used that and spun that to demonize people like Dr. James Dobson and other Christian leaders who have taken a biblical stand on homosexual behavior — people who have love and compassion for those trapped in that behavior.

3. “Give homosexual protectors a just cause.” That was designed to tap into and exploit the almost innate sense of fairness that Americans have; to the sympathy that we have — especially liberals have — for those who seem to be disenfranchised.

4. “Make gays look good.” That’s what they’ve done through media campaigns, through television programs, like “Will and Grace” and others, where homosexuals are portrayed as the most normal, stable people in America.

5. “Make the victimizers look bad.” They portray people of faith — people who have legitimate and biblical reasons to oppose homosexual behavior — as homophobes and bigots. They also try to “muddy the moral waters” by getting liberal churches, many of which have thrown out a great deal of the Bible, to say that homosexual behavior is just fine from a theological perspective.

6. “Get funds from corporate America.” In fact, they have. They have gotten corporate America to sign on to their agenda, and it is very interesting how they have done that. It’s based on fudging the truth — and outright lies.

By the way, the authors of “After the Ball” admit that the use of lies is perfectly fine in their struggle. Their main thing is to get people to believe them. That is all that is important.

What’s interesting is that gay activists go to corporations and say, “We are an aggrieved class; we are discriminated against.” Then, on the other hand, they go to corporate America and say, “Look how much money we have. We make double what a traditional family makes. We are a market that you want to advertise to and cater to.”

Corporate America signs on — whether for domestic partner benefits, or whatever — because they don’t want to alienate that market.

Q. You mentioned lies. Isn’t one of the lies that homosexuals really want marriage?

A. That’s one of the biggest lies. Actually, what they have said at conferences — including one international conference in London in 1999 — is that they really don’t want marriage, they want the destruction of marriage. Basically, once they get marriage, they want to redefine it — they call the concept “monogamy without fidelity.” In other words, marriage would mean that you could be with a person but say, “I can go ahead and have sex with anybody else I want, but my spouse and I live together.”

One homosexual activist said, “We can now dethrone the (traditional) family based on blood relationships, in favor of the families that we choose.”

This article can be found in entirety here.

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